Stopping at junctions / lights

[Jokester]

When you're sitting in a low down car behind a newish car with blinding LED rear clusters at your eye level then yes it is definitely annoying.

Since brake lights and rear fogs are the same intensity, it's odd that one would annoy you but not the other?

Fog lights are allowable to be twice as bright as brake lights.

Edit: Allowable brake light brightness is 60-185 candela, allowable rear fog light brightness is 150 -300 candela

 

[fonzee]

clutch down in 1st + 8000 rpm waiting for the off.

getting to the next lights before the zafira next to you = alpha intact, yo.

 

[grudas]

When you're sitting in a low down car behind a newish car with blinding LED rear clusters at your eye level then yes it is definitely annoying.

Since brake lights and rear fogs are the same intensity, it's odd that one would annoy you but not the other?

I cycle a lot and bright led's hit me right in the face when I'm behind a car, fogs wouldn't be as bad, not that it ever gets to a point where people use them on london roads! motorways maybe

 

[lordrobs]

Fog lights are allowable to be twice as bright as brake lights.

Edit: Allowable brake light brightness is 60-185 candela, allowable rear fog light brightness is 150 -300 candela

All the cars I've owned have had a standard 25W bulb in the fogs, same as a brake light bulb.

As for when I'm stopped at the lights- most of the time it is handbrake on, clutch down and in 1st gear. Only thing that annoys me is when the car in front stops way short of the next car, you stop and then they proceed to creep at 0.5 mph up to the car in front leaving you with a huge gap.

 

[Jokester]

All the cars I've owned have had a standard 25W bulb in the fogs, same as a brake light bulb.

Yeah, but the optics/reflectors aren't necessarily the same though.

 

[pepsilol]

Lol @ poor people in manuals moaning

 

[Duke]

First time I've seen transmission type associated with wealth

 

[mike gunnz]

Lol @ poor people in manuals moaning

I've noticed in the relatively short time that I've been frequenting Motors that irrespective of your use of emoticons, you regularly post comments which contain a purposeful arrogance and allude to your own sense of superiority. Perhaps you're a bit insecure?

 

[pepsilol]

Not really, I just like trolling people. Or maybe I am insecure.

Surely the fact you have picked up on this is worse.

 

[Finglonga]

Do people actually find brake lights annoying?

Nope, then again I do not sit and stare at them in traffic. My brake lights are on as the auto hold keeps them on and the car stays in D. If it is for longer than 5 or so seconds i trigger the start stop.

 

[mike gunnz]

I always pop my autobox into N if it looks likely that I'll be standing still for more than a few seconds. I'm sure I read something on here about heat soak being bad for the transmission if you sit on the brake for extended periods. No idea whether it's true or not.

 

[pepsilol]

I always pop my autobox into N if it looks likely that I'll be standing still for more than a few seconds. I'm sure I read something on here about heat soak being bad for the transmission if you sit on the brake for extended periods. No idea whether it's true or not.

Transmissions nowadays are fully designed to sit in D at the lights, flicking to N is unnecessary wear .

 

[Semple]

As others have said, depends on the junction. So could be handbrake+neutral, neutral, leaving it in gear, only ever hold it on the biting point if i know i'm going to be moving within a few seconds.

 

[mike gunnz]

Transmissions nowadays are fully designed to sit in D at the lights, flicking to N is unnecessary wear .

Perhaps. My car is 13 years old though?

 

[pepsilol]

Perhaps. My car is 13 years old though?

Still, even back when they were making 5hp19s 26s by ZF they were still designed to stay in Drive.

I don't think switching to neutral so often would do any good to the valve body plunger.

 

[Clarkey]

Torque converter is designed to slip and will do it all day long no problem. Very rare for a TC to go wrong and I've never seen an auto trans without a cooler.

 

[ubersonic]

Also i did my test 4/5 years ago and I wasn't told/taught that I need to have handbrake on at lights I could hold it on the brake.

I did my test 7 years ago and was taught to use the handbrake if it looked like I was going to be stationary for a few minutes (to make it easier on my foot) but for regular junctions/lights just to keep it in D and hold it with the brake.

It's obviously not an issue because I passed the test doing that and due to disability faced a more strict test.

Highway code.

114

You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27

You're reading it wrong.

The law:

You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

Additional advice:

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

 

[Alibaba99]

I always pop my autobox into N if it looks likely that I'll be standing still for more than a few seconds. I'm sure I read something on here about heat soak being bad for the transmission if you sit on the brake for extended periods. No idea whether it's true or not.

Other way round. Constantly moving from D to N and back again will wear out components, leaving it in D doesn't. The box is designed to cope with the increase in heat.

 

[ADT]

Only at traffic lights and sitting at traffic I usually put the car in neutral and foot on the brake pedal. Only if I can see that I won't be moving for some time I would apply the handbrake.

 

[DampDog]

You're reading it wrong :

No, I read it as you do. I just highlighted the additional advice bit. irrc its also mentioned in "driving the essential skills" which forms the syllabus for learning to drive. Its trivia really, 1000's do it with no real issue.