Stranger Things (Netflix)

unwashed potato! said:
I've realised just now exactly what it feels like and I'm curious if others agree.

It feels exactly like Jon snows ending and sending him back to the wall. Like after all he went through, that was it, back to the wall. Same with eleven. After all she's been through, she gets a mysterious ending that isn't happy in that even if alive she's not with her family
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I don't see it the same way, GOT is a grim story, you can have those frustrating endings in that scenerio. I see Stranger Things similar to LOTR, it's meant to make you feel good.
It's like the Duffer Brothers wanted to install some chaos in the final episode for the sake of it.
 
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Trusty said:
I don't see it the same way, GOT is a grim story, you can have those frustrating endings in that scenerio. I see Stranger Things similar to LOTR, it's meant to make you feel good.
It's like the Duffer Brothers wanted to install some chaos in the final episode for the sake of it.
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But Jon snow story in particular is what I'm referring to. LOTR you say but who's story? Jon snow was done dirty the most, he suffered the most and should have got his reward at the end, but he was robbed of it. The same with eleven. Suffered the most and got robbed of her deserved ending
 
unwashed potato! said:
But Jon snow story in particular is what I'm referring to. LOTR you say but who's story? Jon snow was done dirty the most, he suffered the most and should have got his reward at the end, but he was robbed of it. The same with eleven. Suffered the most and got robbed of her deserved ending
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LOTR - nobody's story in particular, the overall arc of the film. It's awe, magic, love, friendship with a smattering of betrayal and sadness. GOT is the opposite, you expect people to get screwed over, as Jon does. I think Stranger Things is like LOTR as in should make you feel good and lighter after finishing it, and gives you faith.

I understand the Jon Snow comparison, their individual story is basically the same. I just don't think it fits with the overall arc of Stanger Things.
 
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Bang average bordering on poor season all round I feel. Ending also seemed to miss the mark however it did have a few spatterings of something that could have been decent.
 
Enjoyed it, pretty good ending to the show. Although I do feel the last hour dragged on for far too long, that could've been cleared up in half the time. Now for my main gripe with the show, I grew up and had my formative years in the 80s , and yes it was great. But this means that I had many torches, but I never had one that was so bright and that lasted so long on what I can only imagine to be 'C' or 'D' cell batteries.
 
Malevolence said:
Enjoyed it, pretty good ending to the show. Although I do feel the last hour dragged on for far too long, that could've been cleared up in half the time. Now for my main gripe with the show, I grew up and had my formative years in the 80s , and yes it was great. But this means that I had many torches, but I never had one that was so bright and that lasted so long on what I can only imagine to be 'C' or 'D' cell batteries.
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I miss the C and in particular, D batteries. Seemed like everything needed them in the 80s, seems like nothing does anymore.
 
Malevolence said:
Enjoyed it, pretty good ending to the show. Although I do feel the last hour dragged on for far too long, that could've been cleared up in half the time. Now for my main gripe with the show, I grew up and had my formative years in the 80s , and yes it was great. But this means that I had many torches, but I never had one that was so bright and that lasted so long on what I can only imagine to be 'C' or 'D' cell batteries.
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There is actually a long list of stuff that does not properly match the timeline well. But most fans simply dont care much or never noticed.

Couple of examples,
Apparently a 1988 car was used when it was meant to be 1983.
Sorcerers were not in D+D games until 1992.
 
The making of documentary showed what a **** show the production of S5 was. They constantly bring up every issue that people had with the season and then seemingly ignore any problems and go with it anyway. One of the writers who wrote some of the best episodes in the series even explicitly pushed back at the fact that there aren't any demos in the Abyss during the final fight.

They were filming the finale without a finished script for Christ's sake.
 
Moothead2 said:
The making of documentary showed what a **** show the production of S5 was. They constantly bring up every issue that people had with the season and then seemingly ignore any problems and go with it anyway. One of the writers who wrote some of the best episodes in the series even explicitly pushed back at the fact that there aren't any demos in the Abyss during the final fight.

They were filming the finale without a finished script for Christ's sake.
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I thought that same. How can it take them that long yet not have a final script. Giving actors a script and telling them this will likely change.

Episode 4 was such a stand out episode, but the rest really were forgettable.
 
unwashed potato! said:
I thought that same. How can it take them that long yet not have a final script. Giving actors a script and telling them this will likely change.

Episode 4 was such a stand out episode, but the rest really were forgettable.
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Might surprise you to hear the guy who pushed back about the lack of monster is the guy who wrote episode 4.

Much like D&D the Duffers clearly aren't awful writers but everything they were doing seemed so amateurish despite having a bigger budget than ever and countless years to plan.
 
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Moothead2 said:
Might surprise you to hear the guy who pushed back about the lack of monster is the guy who wrote episode 4.

Much like D&D the Duffers clearly aren't awful writers but everything they were doing seemed so amateurish despite having a bigger budget than ever and countless years to plan.
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I've held the belief since the hobbit came out that to create good art, it's not to give someone freedom but in fact to put someone in a box. What i mean by that is that Peter Jackson, or the duffers, for LOTR/stranger things season 1, would have had a tight budget, and had to make every penny count. They wouldn't have been able to as much reshoots so scenes had to be filmed right the first time and not changed midway/weeks later and reshot. So they would have had to plan and plan and plan, and really make sure their ideas were as fully formed as possible.

Then they had huge success, and then we're given essentially blank cheques to make the hobbit/season 5.

No one to stop them, no one to say that's too expensive, no one to say no we can't rewrite the script on the day.

And as a result you end up with bland uncreative work that feels almost like the idea in their head on that day.

I was defending season 5 while we hadn't seen the full season but now that it's out and done, I am really disappointed and feel let down. Seeing the making of has only made it worse.
 
unwashed potato! said:
I've held the belief since the hobbit came out that to create good art, it's not to give someone freedom but in fact to put someone in a box. What i mean by that is that Peter Jackson, or the duffers, for LOTR/stranger things season 1, would have had a tight budget, and had to make every penny count. They wouldn't have been able to as much reshoots so scenes had to be filmed right the first time and not changed midway/weeks later and reshot. So they would have had to plan and plan and plan, and really make sure their ideas were as fully formed as possible.

Then they had huge success, and then we're given essentially blank cheques to make the hobbit/season 5.

No one to stop them, no one to say that's too expensive, no one to say no we can't rewrite the script on the day.

And as a result you end up with bland uncreative work that feels almost like the idea in their head on that day.

I was defending season 5 while we hadn't seen the full season but now that it's out and done, I am really disappointed and feel let down. Seeing the making of has only made it worse.
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Robert Rodriguez highlighted this concept re budgets and creativity, especially in his excellent book 'Rebel Without A Crew'. He referred to it as the money hose.
 
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unwashed potato! said:
I've held the belief since the hobbit came out that to create good art, it's not to give someone freedom but in fact to put someone in a box. What i mean by that is that Peter Jackson, or the duffers, for LOTR/stranger things season 1, would have had a tight budget, and had to make every penny count. They wouldn't have been able to as much reshoots so scenes had to be filmed right the first time and not changed midway/weeks later and reshot. So they would have had to plan and plan and plan, and really make sure their ideas were as fully formed as possible.

Then they had huge success, and then we're given essentially blank cheques to make the hobbit/season 5.

No one to stop them, no one to say that's too expensive, no one to say no we can't rewrite the script on the day.

And as a result you end up with bland uncreative work that feels almost like the idea in their head on that day.

I was defending season 5 while we hadn't seen the full season but now that it's out and done, I am really disappointed and feel let down. Seeing the making of has only made it worse.
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Like the old saying goes you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

It is the main reason why I refuse to watch Gladiator 2. I know it will taint my memory of the original. Terminator got ruined after 2, Alien after Aliens. A franchise becomes successful and makes huge money that the show must go on so to speak.

I loved stranger things because of the nostalgia and the vibe. It pulled on a lot of 80's pop culture which I love (Alien, Terminator, Goonies etc).

Reality is it should have been left after season 2 where eleven closed the gate and went to the school dance and live out her life in normality. Netflix couldn't let that gravy train die though.

I seriously doubt this is the end either. Just like Avengers end game wasn't the end for that either.
 
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