Strut braces.

Firestar_3x · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:43

As the car turns harder it forces the suspension geometry out so the car has less grip, if you can keep the geometry constant i suppose you will get more grip and a better feel.

[huzeeee] · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:45

Yeah, its all about forces, but tbh if you havnt got a super fast car, or u aint racing one with a flexy front end, u wont even notice the difference, unless u just want to show it off.

[TW]Fox · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:48

[huzeeee] said:
Yeah, its all about forces, but tbh if you havnt got a super fast car, or u aint racing one with a flexy front end, u wont even notice the difference, unless u just want to show it off.

I thought you were 16 with no license?

penski · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:49

[huzeeee] said:
They basically make ** sus turrets more ridid, so i spose a more positive car to drive

[huzeeee] said:
Yeah, its all about forces, but tbh if you havnt got a super fast car, or u aint racing one with a flexy front end, u wont even notice the difference, unless u just want to show it off.

Can you please write in English...It took me a couple of minutes to decipher that. Thanks.

:/

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penski · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:49

[TW]Fox said:
I thought you were 16 with no license?

What?!?!? Nevor!!!

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Simon · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:51

penski said:
Not really required in a FWD car...

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I'd completely disagree with that

Edit: And so would Honda

Siliconslave · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:52

Sam said:
The M3 comes with one as standard i belive

as does the avanzato

Firestar_3x said:
Makes a big diff on the MX so i've heard tis my next upgrade

from what i've read it depends allot on the brace. The cheapo ones don't always have all that much effect. The three point ones are supposed to be the best, connecting to the firewall as well as the two struts. Although afaik it needs drilling to install and costs a silly amount of cash.

Also worth noting the mrk2 and 2.5 mx-5 have diffent sized and location washer bottles so they mrk2 needs modding to get a 2.5 strut brase in... got a funny feeling the 2.5 iS comes with one anyhows, but i may be wrong...

Sam · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:56

Simon said:
Yeah I was hardly going to sit her typing every car ever fitted with a strut brace at the factory

Well try harder in future please

penski · 20 Mar 2006 at 23:59

Simon said:
I'd completely disagree with that

Edit: And so would Honda

Sorry, should have added 'As an aftermarket addition'.

A front, upper strut brace can only promote understeer...

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Simon · 21 Mar 2006 at 00:25

penski said:
Sorry, should have added 'As an aftermarket addition'.

A front, upper strut brace can only promote understeer...

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Rear upper and lower worked well on mine. It doesn't really understeer anymore.

GT3 · 21 Mar 2006 at 00:43

Wishbone braces for the 106/saxo noticably improve turn-in, shame they catch on everything!

Clarkey · 21 Mar 2006 at 00:58

my worthless addition to this thread is that the 350z has upper and lower front and rear braces from the factory.

Mr_Sukebe · 21 Mar 2006 at 07:01

Seems to depend upon the car.

For the MX5, the following seems to have a whole bunch of positive reviews from buyers:
http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/361?osCsid=76bdb00dc301228fc18a0113cb402117

As they're only £30, I have one presently waiting to be fitted.

Bear · 21 Mar 2006 at 07:15

An upper rear brace made the most noticeable difference on my car, it made the rear end a lot more predictable so when it breaks loose, it does it a lot more progressively.

burns · 21 Mar 2006 at 08:14

I'm surprised the integra can even have a strut brace. I thought it had double wishbones all round, so the struts wouldn't even be getting lateral loads. Strictly speaking they aren't even struts on a double wishbone setup, just a damper. I'm not saying they don't have them, I just don't see how it would work.

nutcase · 21 Mar 2006 at 08:32

Indeed, a strut brace is only possibly useful on cars with struts. Don't know what the Integra has.

I have u nequal wishbones on the front of mine, but I wouldn;t mind a rear brace of some kind, as being a hatchback, there's a rather large hole in the arse of the car, so hoofing it round can flex the back a bit

Barry Smalley · 21 Mar 2006 at 08:38

[TW]Fox said:
I thought you were 16 with no license?

If you are talking about his lack of experience, then I suggest you take a good look at yourself first. Most of the stuff you post on here, has come out of a magazine.

Simon · 21 Mar 2006 at 08:52

burns said:
I'm surprised the integra can even have a strut brace. I thought it had double wishbones all round, so the struts wouldn't even be getting lateral loads. Strictly speaking they aren't even struts on a double wishbone setup, just a damper. I'm not saying they don't have them, I just don't see how it would work.

The upper front wishbone mount takes a lot of loading and this is braced.

Its the type R brace despite the picture name

On the rears there is a lower arm which again is braced on the lower subframe. The Type R has a 3mm vs a std 1mm steel subframe on the back to increase stiffness yet stiff uses a brace. The top of the dampers bolt into the body on the integra rear suspension.

They also have one under the rear lights to tie the two chassis rails together

Simon · 21 Mar 2006 at 08:57

nutcase_1uk said:
Indeed, a strut brace is only possibly useful on cars with struts. Don't know what the Integra has.

The loads don't magically disappear with double wishbone. You do realise an Integra Type R has the same rear suspension as every Mk2 Rover 200

Here's some info on the Type R changes from a GSR Integra:

http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=37

Dogbreath · 21 Mar 2006 at 11:27

I've always been a bit dubious about strut braces that just link the two strut towers together. If there is any flex, the towers would tend to be moving in the same direction anyway under cornering loads. Strut braces that are also braced to the bulkhead (e.g. MR2) seem to be a much better solution.

Would be interesting to know just how much the strut towers of an average car move under fast road (rather than track/rally) driving.

Strut braces.

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