Strut braces.

My bed is a lot more solid with it.

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Barry Smalley said:
If you are talking about his lack of experience, then I suggest you take a good look at yourself first. Most of the stuff you post on here, has come out of a magazine. :)
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If I want any more inaccurate appraisals I'll be sure to give you a shout :)

I was merely questioning the validity of a rather sweeping statement, composed almost entirely in text speak, about the usefulness of something like a strutbrace from somebody yet to even take to the wheel of a BSM Corsa. It seems I wasn't the only one to think this way.
 
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[TW]Fox said:
If I want any more inaccurate appraisals I'll be sure to give you a shout :)

I was merely questioning the validity of a rather sweeping statement, composed almost entirely in text speak, about the usefulness of something like a strutbrace from somebody yet to even take to the wheel of a BSM Corsa. It seems I wasn't the only one to think this way.
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People who design planes don't know how to fly them. Doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about
 
RX7 FD has one as standard too. Mine also has a nice thick Cusco rear strut brace, it was already on the car when I got it.

I fitted one to my scoob, but it was at the same time as all the other suspension mods so I can't say if it made a difference in itself.
 
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Simon said:
People who design planes don't know how to fly them. Doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about
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No but they fly simulators etc as they design so the practically see what changes does what.

Also they have a lot of official training, deisgn is done a lot by simulation and formulae.

So you really cant compare the 2.
 
Simon said:
People who design planes don't know how to fly them. Doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about
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People who design planes are not 16 and talk entirely in text speak, either.
 
Adding the optional rear tower bar to my 'teg made a difference.

Not sure whether it's better or worse though ;) (doubt I could find out without going for a Darwin award on the public road).

Most significantly it's very shiny :D
 
Simon said:
All really, Integra type Rs have an upper and lower rear and also a tie bar within the main front subframe.

They all do the same really, reduce flex allowing the suspension to work better.
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They also have a brace between the front wishbone pick ups that isnt on the Civics Also one on the rear boot panel between the rear light clusters to stiffen the frame rails, this was an engineers play thing as such so there certainly solid reasoning behind their fitment to increase chassis torsional rigidity.

Most engine bays are a U shaped structures if you look from the front of the car, the bonnet doesnt carry anyloads so by fitting something like a upper strut brace you prevent the engine bay lozenging as much and the suspension pickup points slightly moving and changing geometry. A decent bolted one that isnt pinjoint will withstand not obnly compression and tension forces but also rotation of the turret top mounts and twisting of the chassis sections symmetry, ie the two front suspension turrets are subject to very different loading in a corner in relation to each other.

Anything to improve chassis torsion rigidity means you can tune the suspension bushing, damping and spring rates with better effect as the unknownn variable of chassis flex has a lower effect. Bracing a chassis has effects like increasing the effective rate of the antiroll bar as theres less slack in the mounting positions so the roll bar response improves. If you do a lot of bracing to the rear you may find the car becomes closer to neutral handling or even oversteer tendancies. Something i definatlely noticed on my Rover Coupe when i added an upper and lower rear brace.

Most race cars dont have them as they have roll cages etc which makes the effect of a simple bolted brace neglible and just drive the vehicle weight up.
 
[TW]Fox said:
People who design planes are not 16 and talk entirely in text speak, either.
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I'd love to see anyone talk with written words, let alone text speak. :p

Forum - written word, not spoken voice.
 
jackoh said:
A simple one really.

Do strut braces actually serve a purpose in crap cars?
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Yes especially in naff cars. :D

Made a massive difference in my mk2 Astra, it was literally an instant improvement, surprising but true. :)
 
Fitted an APR Strut brace to my Celica TSport 190 (£80? I wish) and i have to say its noticeably better. It was awesome before, so its only a little improvement, but it is there...
 
Just watch out that the roof doesn't kink as a result of bracing - the forces end up going somewhere else instead that isn't always up the job. Clio's suffer from this, braced Clios often end up with sunroofs that leak even more since the roof flexes and kinks :eek:
 
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