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Ok and what does that have to do with the post you quoted?![]()
The bit about Suarez's claim that he did not intend to wind Evra up by saying "negro", obviously.
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Ok and what does that have to do with the post you quoted?![]()
The bit about Suarez's claim that he did not intend to wind Evra up by saying "negro", obviously.While Suarez does not say outright that he said it to wind him up, that's what his testimony amounted to.
lol.
I've not said that based on the evidence Suarez didn't intend to wind Evra up when saying negro. In fact, read back through the thread and you'll see that I claimed that it was fair to say that he probably did.
I've said that Suarez hasn't admitted to winding Evra up by calling him negro, which DM claimed he did.
I'll say it again, the (lack of) reading ability of some people on this forum is incredible.
"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no one else on the field of play – including Evra's own Manchester United team-mates and all the match officials – heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
"LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable – without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult. "
It was a case of one man's word against anothers though and they determined who to believe based on the credibility of each persons testimony.But these aspects of the statement made by Liverpool are patently untrue:
Suarez was not found guilty on Evra's word alone, as the report demonstrates.
Evra has made no "prior unfounded accusations" and the independent panel then found his evidence to be more credible than Suarez's.
The report makes clear that Evra did not insult Suarez when he said "concha de tu hermana", as it was not directed at anyone in particular.
It was a case of one man's word against anothers though and they determined who to believe based on the credibility of each persons testimony.
215. It was accepted by both Mr Greaney and Mr McCormick in closing submissions that this is not simply a case of one person's word against another.
Liverpool's Statement said:It is our strong-held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suárez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible
FA Findings said:'The position, therefore, is as follows. Mr Suarez spoke in Spanish to Mr Comolli soon after the game about this serious allegation. Mr Suarez also spoke in Dutch to Mr Kuyt. Both Mr Comolli and Mr Kuyt understood Mr Suarez to have told them that when he spoke to Mr Evra he said words which translate into English as, "Because you are black". According to Mr Suarez, Mr Comolli misheard what Mr Suarez said in Spanish, and Mr Kuyt misheard what Mr Suarez said in Dutch'
There are a number of other surprising aspects to what Mr Dalglish and Mr Comolli told the referee. We accept that the referee's report accurately records what they told him. Its accuracy was not challenged by Mr Suarez.
Mr Dalglish told the referee that Mr Suarez responded with "you are black" having first been taunted with "you are South American".
Sorry, what? I know Suarez has admitted to saying Negro, I've said as much countless times in this thread.
I'm commenting on DM's claim that Suarez has admitted to calling Evra Negro several times and that he later admits that he called him Negro to wind him up. Neither claim are included in the report.
The (lack of) reading ability of some people on this forum is incredible.
Having gone through it a second time ... It's still a joke of a report.
Firstly no where does Suarez statement change, every event is listed clear in his opening statement.
The incident in question ( which they say changed ) is the pinch.
Suarez says in his statement it's just 'sticking up for himself' , so for the panel to decide he admitted after video evidence that it's not 'nice' suggests Suarez stated previously that it was .. And he never said that.
On top of that, when the panel state that in SAmerican regions, pinching ones own arm is a way of describing ones skin colour. So with no history of this act being used on others , how they can conclude its possibly an attempt to call out Evras skin colour is beyond me.
Regarding the inconsistencies in Suarez vs kuyt and DC, Suarez said to these that what he said translates in English to 'you are black' . The language expert even concluded that in Spanish context it's not inherently racist, although they chose to believe it occurred multiple times, thus changing the context to something more sinister.
There is no evidence that he said this more then the once Suarez admitted to other then the testimony of SAF and Evra. An LFC employee overheard SAF saying Suarez used the word 5 times, meaning it must have come from Evra. SAF said the 5 times thing himself also. Evra in France said it happened 'at least ten times' , a huge inconsistency itself, and tried to back out of this with the excuse " it's a French thing ".
The panel asked Suarez if he told Kuyt and Dc he called evra out as being 'black' , under the context of how Suarez used the sentence / word, Suarez is right to say they must have misheared, as what he told them is it translates in English as X, not that he called him Y.
The final inconsistency is the use of a word whic Suarez defence only used after hearing the panel use it. Hardly the biggest crime is it? Considering it didn't actually change what Suarez was saying, although the panel concluded it was an attempt to change his statement.
Regarding not using Evras apparent unreliability ( Chelsea, Finnan) , the panel said that they chose to ignore this for one reason only, because LFC chose not to use it in their defence. Quite poor IMO, and the panels statement that Evra wouldnt try to damage a fellow professionals status in the game, huge assumption to make considering the Finnan incident.
Regarding what Kuyt accused Evra of saying to Suarez and the ref, the ref didn't hear, so this is thrown out. And to say Kuyt must have misheard what Evra said to Suarez ( re: his sister) .. How can they come to this conclusion? The whole trial is based on one word against another so the only reason to throw this out is they believe Kuyt to be a flawed witness because he is a team mate of Suarez. This is common in criminal courts, but the panel failed to apply the same assumptions regarding other peoples statements, seems like selective acceptance to me.
There's more, but I'm hung over so I'll stop here.
Liverpool fan in interpreting what he wants from an independent report shocker.
Unfortunately the FA don't work like a criminal court so the onus was on the defendant to prove his innocence rather than accuser to prove his guilt. It's effectively guilty until proven innocent and the FA doubted his version of events so charged himLiverpool fan expecting a report damning someone as being Racist to be based on more then 39 instances of 'Probably' or 17 instances of 'on balance', shocker.
Unfortunately the FA don't work like a criminal court so the onus was on the defendant to prove his innocence rather than accuser to prove his guilt. It's effectively guilty until proven innocent and the FA doubted his version of events so charged him
Given the nature of the case it's a pretty scandalous method to decide the fate of a player but that's how the FA work and we along with other clubs agree with.