Whilst PMK may well be the eloquent one, you can't beat Mark for delivery!
Thats because im an uneducated *****
Sub 100k Phantom.
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Thats because im an uneducated *****
Let's get one thing clear right now. The Mulsanne is an absoultely brilliant car. I know coming from me this perhaps might not come as a shock seeing how I rely on them selling well to keep me employed, but please do believe me when I say that I am a natural born sync, and yet the Mulsanne managed to thoroughly blow my mind.
The styling is certainly something that grows on you. I had to reach for a bucket when I first saw it in the metal at crewe a few months ago, but now I catch myself admiring them, Especially in black with the 5 spoke wheels. I wish to god that they stuck with a squarer 'Arnage' front end, it is a handsome car and manages to have that '**** off' factor without coming off as vulgar, which the Phantom is without a shadow of a doubt.
Technology wise - Everything you'd want, need and expect is there, and what is even more impressive is that they have made it almost painfully easy to use. In terms of bells and whistles I've genuinely seem more 'customization' feature in 5 series BMWs via IDrive, but I think that is brilliant. I get the general feeling that our customers don't really care about what angle their boot lid opens up at or any of that rubbish.
Interior wise - It is absoultely bleeding fantastic. Seriously, it isn't worth me even trying to describe it because I won't do it any justice whatsoever
It is also worth remembering that in all fairness the Arnage was a bit of a mess. I could have 'outmoded' it with some legos
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The Muslanne is a completely new, bespoke car and is a genuine competitor to the Phantom while the Arnage technically wasn't.
It looks absoultely nothing like a Phantom!?
As for trying to remotely compare a Flying Spur to Phantom - LOL!!!!
The styling is certainly something that grows on you. I had to reach for a bucket when I first saw it in the metal at crewe a few months ago, but now I catch myself admiring them, Especially in black with the 5 spoke wheels
. I wish to god that they stuck with a squarer 'Arnage' front end, it is a handsome car and manages to have that '**** off' factor without coming off as vulgar, which the Phantom is without a shadow of a doubt.Technology wise - Everything you'd want, need and expect is there, and what is even more impressive is that they have made it almost painfully easy to use. In terms of bells and whistles I've genuinely seem more 'customization' feature in 5 series BMWs via IDrive, but I think that is brilliant. I get the general feeling that our customers don't really care about what angle their boot lid opens up at or any of that rubbish.
Interior wise - It is absoultely bleeding fantastic. Seriously, it isn't worth me even trying to describe it because I won't do it any justice whatsoever
It is also worth remembering that in all fairness the Arnage was a bit of a mess. I could have 'outmoded' it with some legos
.The Muslanne is a completely new, bespoke car and is a genuine competitor to the Phantom while the Arnage technically wasn't.
It looks absoultely nothing like a Phantom!?
As for trying to remotely compare a Flying Spur to Phantom - LOL!!!!
The Arnage might have a bit of a Lego look to it, but after 2002 it did drive well, and in those last incarnations with the new gearbox in 2006 or whenever it was, it was a great car.
I still sum up what i said with this, if you want to drive, even in a straight line a Bentley wins, if its all over and time for a driver, last year buy the Rolls, but now with the Mulsanne, it looks good in the back there too.
Lastly it was me that sort of compared a FS when i said i couldnt see a twice the price advantage in the Phantom, which i cant, but thats just us Josh, cos we love Bentley
I still sum up what i said with this, if you want to drive, even in a straight line a Bentley wins, if its all over and time for a driver, last year buy the Rolls, but now with the Mulsanne, it looks good in the back there too.
Lastly it was me that sort of compared a FS when i said i couldnt see a twice the price advantage in the Phantom, which i cant, but thats just us Josh, cos we love Bentley
I think you're completely right in the sense that Bentleys are cars to be driven rather than to be driven in. When I see the bloke in the front of a Phantom I automatically assume that he is the Driver, not the owner. With a Bentley (even an Arnage with the 'Old man' image) you simply don't know.
And I meant the Arnage was a bit of a mess in terms of it being caught in the middle of the BMW/VW "Who actually owns Rolls Royce?" fiasco. I obviously wasn't in the game when the Arnage was released but looking back on them they don't seem like as much of a evolution of the Turbo R as the Mulsaane is compared to an Arnage. That's not to say that an Arnage is a bad car, just that the Mulsanne is a brilliant one.
On the 100k Rolls theme. Does anyone have an idea why 'modern' Rollers hold their prices so damn well?. Take the Sliver Seraph for example. Effectively an old E38 BMW 750iL with more leather and less toys. £50k odd for a 1999/2000
That money would see you in a 05 Arnage which is such a better car in every single way it actually hurts.
And I meant the Arnage was a bit of a mess in terms of it being caught in the middle of the BMW/VW "Who actually owns Rolls Royce?" fiasco. I obviously wasn't in the game when the Arnage was released but looking back on them they don't seem like as much of a evolution of the Turbo R as the Mulsaane is compared to an Arnage. That's not to say that an Arnage is a bad car, just that the Mulsanne is a brilliant one
.On the 100k Rolls theme. Does anyone have an idea why 'modern' Rollers hold their prices so damn well?. Take the Sliver Seraph for example. Effectively an old E38 BMW 750iL with more leather and less toys. £50k odd for a 1999/2000
That money would see you in a 05 Arnage which is such a better car in every single way it actually hurts.
Exclusivity has a lot to do with it. Take the Seraph for example - there are only 6 currently for sale on Auto Trader. The RR badge is one of the most value-enhancing brands in the world.
On the 100k Rolls theme. Does anyone have an idea why 'modern' Rollers hold their prices so damn well?. Take the Sliver Seraph for example. Effectively an old E38 BMW 750iL with more leather and less toys. £50k odd for a 1999/2000
As PMK said small numbers for one thing.
Also a Seraph is no more a 7 series than a Cont GT is a Pheaton, you of all people should know that
I thought part of the idea of buying a car like this was actually customising it from the leather to the colour to the wood. Doesn't buying one of these cars second hand mean you lose that experience, and as such, the ability to make it unique and to your liking. Then again, for such a car it's quite cheap.
My point was I think RR as a brand tends to attract people who want to pose and display wealth, while Bentley is not so clear cut. It even attracts people who like cars.
I'll post if I want. I was reflecting on quite a lot of people not someone. In the industry I'm in, there are a lot of people with new money who see having a roller as an end goal.
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I am a little confused about the market this car is aimed at.
How many people can afford the considerable running costs of the Phantom, have £100,000 available yet... would be happy with a 7 year old one?
It's gotta be the 'undesireable types' mentioned in this thread surely? The typical Phanton buyers will just buy a new one?
How many people can afford the considerable running costs of the Phantom, have £100,000 available yet... would be happy with a 7 year old one?
It's gotta be the 'undesireable types' mentioned in this thread surely? The typical Phanton buyers will just buy a new one?
Really sorry, that didnt come out right, i meant no point me banging on about knowing someone with one, i was actually agreeing with everything you said there, sorry again mate
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Basically the 100k Phantom is aimed at the people that cant quite stomach the new price, those that dont want to blow their brains out with depreciation.
Obviously there are a lot of people that just dont care, but there are many many more people with money that havent lost grip of common sense.
The man above mentioned the building process, yea thats nice but apart from the factory trips (which me personally i couldnt be arsed with anyway) you buy a used one that suits you, whats the difference? You still end up with a car in the colour you wanted. If banana yellow with zebra wood and pink leather aint your thing, you just dont buy it do you.
The bit im at pains to point out and obviously not doing very well is this, there is no special sub section of society, undesirable or not buying 100k cars, they are in the same boat as the people buying 200k
cars, there are just horses for courses.
Another thing, these "undesirable types" are we talking about drug dealers? bank robbers? (sadly a dieing breed, bless) who we actually talking about?
Bear in mind you successful criminal actually wants to keep his head down, not drive round in a Phantom, im not talking about Bad Bwoy Billy from Stoke Newington selling a few rocks in his 7 series with gangster tints, that poor sod probably earns less than you Fox when you take into account down time when he cant score and holidays in the nick.
Im talking about the man who's bang at it earning Phantom money, thats the last car he's buying, he's buying a Discovery to blend in.
Im not sure what an undesirable Phantom type is to be honest.
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Really sorry, that didnt come out right, i meant no point me banging on about knowing someone with one, i was actually agreeing with everything you said there, sorry again mate
My misunderstanding. Cheers
I'd be very suprised if there are any undesirable types who would want to buy a Phantom let alone afford one.
There was a fella who tried to buy a CL63 off me, very undesirable character - however had a lot of legitimate business interests to his name to make his other activities sort of slide off the radar.
I think long gone are the days of men who are more than 50% involved in business that isn't strictly legal, and these people are not the type to buy Bentleys or RRs, they stick with their Range Rover Sports and BMW X5s (In white with 22 inch spinners).
There was a fella who tried to buy a CL63 off me, very undesirable character - however had a lot of legitimate business interests to his name to make his other activities sort of slide off the radar.
I think long gone are the days of men who are more than 50% involved in business that isn't strictly legal, and these people are not the type to buy Bentleys or RRs, they stick with their Range Rover Sports and BMW X5s (In white with 22 inch spinners).
Exactly.
And lets have it right, once you reach a certain level who cares where it came from at the start, it all spends the same.
Iv yet to meet a car dealer or estate agent that cared about my name not being Henry Sebastian Wellington-Jones.
Which one of you bought it then?
Not me, but good on whoever did, lot of car for that money, lot of car.