Sub choice

arix said:
I fully understand your argument and it does sound good I using s combination of monitor audio silver and radius for the rest of the system
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Okay, so buy the W10 6G. It doesn't go as low as any of the other options we have given you, but that's your choice.

Bass depth, attack, and texture is why you're running the Silver series main speakers compared to Bronzes of equivalent size. Did you worry about the extra bass depth the Silvers put out versus the Bronze? Probably not. So why worry that one sub goes deeper than another? You'll have heard that difference when you demoed the Silvers versus the Bronze. Right? It's the same with the P12 sub.

If you want to give it some context, think of the P12-300 like the Silver sub versus the W10 6G. (You did demo the main speakers, didn't you? You didn't just pay the extra without hearing the difference between Bronzes and Silvers, did you?)

Anyway, you've got more than enough info to make a decision. We saved you from wasting cash on the 8" subs (You can say thank you any time), and you've had enough knowledge served up to put you ahead of the guys in-store so you can talk with greater authority and see through any B.S. (Again, you can say thank you any time now.) The rest is up to you.
 
Yeah it's like comparing your bigger speakers to tyr radius.

Same thing on subs. Bigger driver means lower bas and more output.

The scene in ready player one end scene feels like real pressure wave
 
lucid said:
You can always turn a sub down if you still find it too loud. The AV receiver will do its auto-setup-wizard thing. You can then either go into the AV receiver menus and dial the sub down or use the volume dial on the rear panel.

What you can't really do is turn up a weak sub to 11 or magic it some extra depth or precision. They work to their limits. Pushing them beyond is when things get messy, boomy and just unpleasant.

You came on with a plan to spend £400-ish on a one or the other 8" sub. We looked at them and told you they are pricey for the performance. We suggested a couple of alternatives, and that saved you from making an expensive mistake. Quick question: did you pick those out, or did RS staff recommend them?

There's a lot of knowledgeable folk here in the forum; people who have been into AV and music for a long time and gained a lot of knowledge. What's more, no one here has any vested interest in whether you buy or not. We're not the ones selling you the gear. We make no profit nor take any commission. You might want to keep that thought in the back of your mind when you're next talking to the store staff.

What we've done for you is pick out what we think of as the best subs from the whole market, and not just what shop A or shop B happens to stock. That's impartiality for you. These are what we'd buy if we were in a similar situation to you. Here's the thing though; none of us are you. What you finally decide is up to you.

Is the W10 6G a bad sub? - No. Monitor Audio is a decent brand and I've sold and demoed more of their gear than I can remember. I've always liked the Bronze series for its sense of fun and value. They're making complete packages including subs, and those subs compliment the main speakers nicely for music, and they do okay for movies too. Was the W10 6G the best sub you could buy for £625? The simple answer is no. Is it any better a deal now that it's on clearance at £450? Yes, quite obviously. It's £175 cheaper. Does this make it the best sub you can buy for £450? I'm afraid that the answer is still no.

Is it the right sub for @arix ? If you want to buy from a retailer and feel like you're getting a deal..... then maybe. Would I run a W10 6G at home? Yeah, sure. Would I run it in preference to a P12-300 or a s/h SB-1000 Pro.... er...No. As a sub to match the visuals of a set of MA Bronze speakers there can be no better choice. But if I'm not using the matching MA speakers, is there a compelling reason to choose this sub? The honest answer is no, but your mileage may vary.
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My 10" sub is three times the weight of that monitor audio sub (and that monitor audio sub has a additional radiator driver also!)
 
hornetstinger said:
My 10" sub is three times the weight of that monitor audio sub (and that monitor audio sub has a additional radiator driver also!)
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Yeah, I looked at the weight as well.
  • Monolith V2-10 - 32.9Kg
  • BK P12-300FF - 27.8Kg
  • MA W10 G6 - 12.8Kg
The W10 weight is similar to BK's baby subs. In fact, the BK weighs half a kilo more. These are the old Gemini II and the new P10-150, and they're both 150W subs without ABRs. A lot cheaper too at around the £260 mark.
 
lucid said:
Yeah, I looked at the weight as well.
  • Monolith V2-10 - 32.9Kg
  • BK P12-300FF - 27.8Kg
  • MA W10 G6 - 12.8Kg
The W10 weight is similar to BK's baby subs. In fact, the BK weighs half a kilo more. These are the old Gemini II and the new P10-150, and they're both 150W subs without ABRs. A lot cheaper too at around the £260 mark.
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My other subs are close to 70 kg each

Plus you'd want a subwoofer EQ system, if his avr lacks subwoofer EQ

That's the most important channel to eq. The better svs have three channel EQ.
 
hornetstinger said:
My other subs are close to 70 kg each

Plus you'd want a subwoofer EQ system, if his avr lacks subwoofer EQ

That's the most important channel to eq. The better svs have three channel EQ.
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I think just having variable phase rather than a 0/180 degree toggle switch would be a start, but that does presume the user understands what AVR auto-setup-wizards can and can't do.
 
hornetstinger said:
Yeah it's like comparing your bigger speakers to tyr radius.

Same thing on subs. Bigger driver means lower bas and more output.

The scene in ready player one end scene feels like real pressure wave
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Subs diameter and excursion (assuming no distortion) is basically what your looking for .. unless there’s a massive enclosure (think big room).

You can port and tune, you can get low frequency for a smaller driver but it’s not going to add a massive HT level bass.
 
Thank you all for your help and advice just out of interest how much difference would there be between the

Monitor Audio Bronze W10 6G and the SB-1000 Pro for example Iam not what you would call an expert but I do like things to be right. But don't have a massive budget ​

 
arix said:
Thank you all for your help and advice just out of interest how much difference would there be between the

Monitor Audio Bronze W10 6G and the SB-1000 Pro for example Iam not what you would call an expert but I do like things to be right. But don't have a massive budget ​

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Svs goes lower by 13hz and has a app to adjust settings from your phone. What's more useful is this svs has three channel PEQ to sort out peaka on frequency response.
 
Troezar said:
Indeed, I have eyed up the SVS PB16 Ultras but a bit out of my price range. I imagine they are immense:eek: Love the bass for films, can't beat it on a monster movie when the bass kicks in! Dual PB3000 might be doable one day :cool:
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I have two subs which are equal in performance and size to the pb16 ultra

They're massive. You need big room and be single.

The subs have tons of output
 
hornetstinger said:
I have two subs which are equal in performance and size to the pb16 ultra

They're massive. You need big room and be single.

The subs have tons of output
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I can imagine, I convinced my wife the 10" one was like a side table if you put a cloth on it ;) No liquids allowed though! She appreciates the extra bass in films now but she can't do high volume, I think I'm a little more deaf than her:cry: I'd need to upgrade the AVR though if I went with higher end speakers, the Wharfdale 4.2's do a decent job, big upgrade on the TV speakers. Would love a proper Atmos setup though.
 
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