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it's such a shame that I have £400 to spend on a graphics card and that I'm either out priced with greed or the performance is lacking for my money! Try harder NVidia!
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We can't but the gtx1070 Founders was $449 at launch compared to the gtx970 at $330. So Nvidia can be blamed for a big chunk of the 70 cards price hike.
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https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gain...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-209-gw.html
There, under £400 for one of the better 1070's in terms of thermals and noise.
Or
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...express-graphics-card-gx-068-in.html#comments
Don't get a reference 1070.
This isn't really an issue that will be fixed by anything we can do. AMD's upcoming cards have reached crazy levels of hype now, as have their CPU's. Could wait till then I guess, but I'm thinking that their GPU's will match 1070's but for around the same price (whilst running hotter and using more power of course).
There, under £400 for one of the better 1070's in terms of thermals and noise.
Or
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...express-graphics-card-gx-068-in.html#comments
Don't get a reference 1070.
This isn't really an issue that will be fixed by anything we can do. AMD's upcoming cards have reached crazy levels of hype now, as have their CPU's. Could wait till then I guess, but I'm thinking that their GPU's will match 1070's but for around the same price (whilst running hotter and using more power of course).
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gtx 1070 launch price was $379 so $49 more than the gtx970..................
Okay thats a 14.8% price hike.
At the launch of the gtx970 the exchange rate was $1.6275 to the pound and today its $1.2729. That accounts for a 27.9% increase in price.
AT launch the GTX970 was £244 inc vat (or should be as a straight exchange). AT today's exchange rate it would be £311.10.
So way more of the current cost is down to the exchange rate and not Nvidia. Or do you think nvidia should accept 30% less for each card because the UK is a special case?
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The founders (reference) is what I consider the launch price ($449) and not the cheap rubbish version that nobody would buy. I can't even remember if there was a rubbish cheap version at launch but I know there was loads of Founders.
Surely you have not fallen for this Founders marketing.
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Blamed? With the GTX 970 they pretty much had no other choice than to make it cheaper due to AMD's 290/290x offering similar performance - they basically had to price it lower in order to take back the market that AMD had gained. With the GTX 1070 they had no such issue, so they could price it however they wanted, yet still stuck to a lower price due to it being the sweet spot for them (maximizing profits). With no competition there really isn't a huge incentive to lower prices.
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Blamed? With the GTX 970 they pretty much had no other choice than to make it cheaper due to AMD's 290/290x offering similar performance - they basically had to price it lower in order to take back the market that AMD had gained. With the GTX 1070 they had no such issue, so they could price it however they wanted, yet still stuck to a lower price due to it being the sweet spot for them (maximizing profits). With no competition there really isn't a huge incentive to lower prices.
It personally does not bother me. However it does seem to bother those that were expecting the 1070 to be priced as 70 and not an 80. Nvidia have upped there prices a tier whether people like it or not. I can understand why they have done it and not disputing this. The performance of the gtx1070 is pretty decent as well but in the past we used to get last gens high end at mid tier pricing especially after a node drop.
Even looking at the gtx970 itself which offered gtx780ti performance at mid tier pricing with no node drop.
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I know that there were several vastly superior, faster, better cooling, longer warranty 1080 cards all a lot cheaper than the founders edition when I bought my two 1080s.
I only paid £525 for my Gaming X card when founders were £609 so I fail to see your point?
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This is true but it never happened with the gtx1070. Most of the decent versions were around £400 or more. The Founders was £400 on release i think.
$49 thats all Nvidia have upped it by. FACT. And every few years they up the price by $50 of the same tier. Heavens forbid that they have to keep making new cards and sell them for the same money they did 20 years ago.........
If the exchange rate was over $2 again and you were paying £200 for a 1070 would you be saying Nvidia are selling them too cheap?
Nah I have seen Asus and other major brand 1070 cards for under £350 in the last week and I remember seeing decent 1070s at launch for that price too as I was tempted to get two 1070s with the savings over the 1080s.
Okay they arent the super mega overclocked cards but they are morse than clown cards which are more than the founders edition but if you were expecting the top end cards for Nvidias RRP base price then you are delusional.
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$49 thats all Nvidia have upped it by. FACT. And every few years they up the price by $50 of the same tier. Heavens forbid that they have to keep making new cards and sell them for the same money they did 20 years ago.........
If the exchange rate was over $2 again and you were paying £200 for a 1070 would you be saying Nvidia are selling them too cheap?
They don't up it every year. With the 970 they actually kept it the same. The gtx470 was $349. The gtx570 was $350. The gtx670 was $399. The gtx770 was $329. The gtx970 was $330 and the gtx1070 from Nvidia, Founders which is the new name for reference is $449.
Just so we are clear i am not disputing that the pound declining has played it's part.
So basically if Nvidia come in with there reference point it allows others to price above and almost encourages it. Sure the msrp is lower than founders but to me it's a way to boost prices which is why i will take the founders price as reference.
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FFS. I never said they upped it every year, I said every few years.
What actually happens depends a lot on the competition.
The gtx670 was only $399 because AMD had the sublime 7950 out for that price.
The gtx770 was $399 which then had to be dropped 3 weeks later to $329 because of the AMD 280x.
The gtx 970 launched at $330 because of AMD's 290. WHich is a drop and against the trend for the top card which keeps going up every generation or so. In fact the price difference between the 970 and 980 is the biggest gap there had being at 40%.
The gtx 470 and 570 were both $350.
so every x70 card has been between $330 and $399 and the gtx 1070 at $379 fits in perfectly.
What you dont see and whinge about as a uk buyer is that in those times we have had exchange rates from $2.4 to $1.2 dollars to the pound.
Guess what? when its at $1.2 its double the cost of the card when it was at $2.4
Stop whinging, if you can;t afford it then vote for a government who will do something about or economy and exchange rates.