Supplements

Not saying its a poor diet Chong just seems strange to assume that people "new to bodybuilding, and the typical hard gainer type physique " are as heavy as 230lbs...

Although there seems to be a lot of protein shakes and MRP in there...
 
i didnt want to start some big argument here! The only reason for me having supplements instead of having more "proper meals" is mainly down to time, its just so much easier and more convenient to do just whack a bit of powder in a bottle and there ya go got a nice amount of protein!


for me working from 8 and not getting back till 6ish and only having a microwave and george foreman grill at work it's fairly difficult to cook whole meals so quite restricted in what i can cook.

i have noticed a difference recently with me being able to increase weights slowly but surely thought that may have been down to the shakes... i bet im going to get slated for saying that now :p
 
having a forman grill makes more sense to have chicken at work!
or, prepare it the night before.

rice - boil in a bag or microwave.

simple ;]
 
having a forman grill makes more sense to have chicken at work!
or, prepare it the night before.

rice - boil in a bag or microwave.

simple ;]

well typical diet at the moment is:

0730 cyclone shake

0830 weetabix x3 and 2 tablespoons of flaxseed

1030 chicken or egg mayo s/w

1330 chicken fillets with brown rice and sweetcorn

1530 soya nuts and banana

1900 pasta

1930 cyclone shake

2000-2200 workout 90 mins gym 30 mins steam

2130 - cyclone shake

if im not feeling bloated left over meals from what was cooked earlier.
 
i have noticed a difference recently with me being able to increase weights slowly but surely thought that may have been down to the shakes... i bet im going to get slated for saying that now :p


its due to you taking in more kcals. the shakes arent magic, the same would be achieved with normal food :p


well typical diet at the moment is:

0730 cyclone shake

0830 weetabix x3 and 2 tablespoons of flaxseed

1030 chicken or egg mayo s/w

1330 chicken fillets with brown rice and sweetcorn

1530 soya nuts and banana

1900 pasta

1930 cyclone shake

2000-2200 workout 90 mins gym 30 mins steam

2130 - cyclone shake

if im not feeling bloated left over meals from what was cooked earlier.

hold on, you were just saying shakes during the working day, but then your typical diet doesnt have them :p
 
well in the morning due to having trouble getting up lazy git :p so i don't have time to make scrambled eggs etc so have a shake then. Then a shake hour before workout, pt said to and shake directly after pt said to again :) trying to follow what i'm told!
 
yeah, thats not the worst thing tbh, but you made it seem like it was shajes during the day during work etc when you could clearly do better (and are) :D
 
FF it would be interesting to see your diet on a typical day, i think it would be good to show people and myself how much dedication is needed to build without potions an that! Granted you weigh almost 40kg more than me (i think) but it would be interesting to see, unless you have posted it before. I hope it doesn't disappoint!

After all this chat about supps i think i am going to go and buy a weeks worth of food, i think i have been pretty lazy lately when it comes to food and its costing me a bomb at work. The routine of preparation the night before or watever will take some effort that i have been avoiding.

I've stated before what I do typically, but I'm happy to spread the love and info for everyone.

Can I just clear up one thing, I'm not against protein shakes if and when you're pushing the edge of your natural intake. They are a good and relatively cheap source of protein - however what I'm trying to drill into people is not to RELY on them. If you nail your diet first, your protein shakes should come as a second thought, not a necessity. When I'm training so hard my fingers rip to pieces, I can't move for hours after, and blood and tears become one and the same I do supplement my diet with shakes - and at the level of training I've reached it maybe makes sense to keep my protein bias up somewhat, however I still take in a lot of carbs - but complex and nutritious ones. :)

On a typical day i.e. at least 4-5 days a week this is what I have:

Breakfast @530am:

3-4 eggs (scrambled, poached, fried... whatever!)
if I don't have eggs, I have a couple of large smoked mackerel fillets
Large bowl of porridge with lots of cinnamon
Natural set yoghurt with fresh fruit (usually berries) in it with tonnes of cinnamon.

midmorning snack:

pack of nairns oatcakes (I think they come in packs of 7?!) with some peanut butter or jam or cottage cheese etc... depends on my mood
more fruit (apple, banana)


lunch 1:

2 wholemeal pittas, typical filling, roast chicken, tuna, ham, beef etc... with lots of salad (typically rocket and spinach), a bit of mustard and a bit of mayo.


snack:

fruit, some nuts/raisins, small bowl of cereal.

lunch 2:

left overs from the day before, typically some rice/couscous/pasta with some meat (lamb/beef/chicken/pork) often there will be some onions and mushrooms with that, and perhaps some peas, or some chopped tomatoes.

pre-workout snack

coffee with a banana and possibly a naughty snack of chocolate (80% stuff - love it! :D).

Post work out:

More often than not I will have a shake ;)

Dinner (1hr after training):

Lots of meat or fish, lots of veggies (2 or 3 different ones) but very little carbs.

Before bed I tend to have a herbal tea, and maybe a bit of yoghurt or cottage cheese.


That's very typical. On some mornings I'll have a shake if I'm running late or havent' done the weekly shop. But I try not to rely on them.

The weekends I go nuts and eat like a pig! :D (and i mean it... 4-5kcals easily each day! :o)

i didnt want to start some big argument here! The only reason for me having supplements instead of having more "proper meals" is mainly down to time, its just so much easier and more convenient to do just whack a bit of powder in a bottle and there ya go got a nice amount of protein!


for me working from 8 and not getting back till 6ish and only having a microwave and george foreman grill at work it's fairly difficult to cook whole meals so quite restricted in what i can cook.

i have noticed a difference recently with me being able to increase weights slowly but surely thought that may have been down to the shakes... i bet im going to get slated for saying that now :p

No time? No excuse tbh. I work long hours but you just have to make the time and be organised.
 
rubbish, its the morning :p
shake when you wake (and yes im talking protein.. um, that doesnt help does it!) is needed :P

ok, im just lazy hehe
 
hehe :p

Like I said if I don't have time for a biiiiig breakfast, or haven't done my shop I'll still have a bowl of something and a shake just to tide me over. I just don't rely or exclusively use them ;)
 
I'm not the best in the mornings and get up as late as possible to be at work for a reasonable time.

So I have a shake for breakfast 5 days a week, 90-100g oats, 50g whey, few grams of fish oil. Literally takes a minute to make and less to drink.

Not the best but not bad really.
 
hehe :p

Like I said if I don't have time for a biiiiig breakfast, or haven't done my shop I'll still have a bowl of something and a shake just to tide me over. I just don't rely or exclusively use them ;)

You seem to know the ins and outs of bodybuilding so what supplement shake is it that you use :D
 
bsd whey ;]

Yup pretty much, and fish oils.

2.5kg of whey lasts me several months. Fish oils are the only thing I supplement with religiously.

Apart from modifying bits from my diet (i.e. replacing refined sugars etc... with other more natural forms) it just comes down to eating well and training hard and sleeping well.
 
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