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Surveillance of the internet for UK
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“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
― Edward Snowden
Ironic that that particular quote is attributed to Goebbels in reference to the SS et al. Any state-led mass surveillance is a worrying breach of civil liberties, and it's even more mind boggling to see people on supposed tech sites saying they have nothing to hide and don't care. Why should we be subject to blanket monitoring? What happens when it's decided something you do legally today is no longer acceptable tomorrow, and it's a simple matter of querying the huge cache of logs to see who to single out next?
What happens when it's inevitably abused, hacked or worse? There are a million reasons and ways this type of activity is wrong and can go wrong, but no concrete results to show that it does any good. Can 'they' point to a single example of it providing tangible benefit? Nope. Why does allowing some busybody at the local council access to my web searches, emails and shopping habits aid national security? Hint: It doesn't.
The NSA and GCHQ were hoovering up the entire Internet traffic before 9/11, 7/7 and the Manchester bombing but what did that help? You're not going to stop hushed conversations in mosques, coded drops between far right groups or any other type of ages-old conspiracy. You are, however, going to wield an awful lot of potential power and leverage over a decreasingly free populace. Ask the Stasi, CCP and friends. I can't quite believe it needs explaining on a forum such as this. We're already one of the least 'free' of the so-called democratic nations, and mass surveillance should be opposed at every step and turn.
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The government should be allowed to install webcams in all homes including bedrooms and bathrooms to monitor for illegal activity behind closed doors where it might not be seen otherwise - nothing to hide, so no objections, comrade?
All other surveillance states and/or totalitarian regimes have been/are roaring successes and should be emulated. Next up, social credit system?
All other surveillance states and/or totalitarian regimes have been/are roaring successes and should be emulated. Next up, social credit system?
According to the WEF, they will one day be able to ul/dl information to and from our minds. So if one day they can read our minds then that surely is the ultimate form of surveillance and I'm sure they will work out a way of implementing this in a way that they say it's for our own benefit. It's just the way things are going in the future and there probably little anybody can do to stop it. Privacy will be a relic of the past.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/upload-knowledge-to-brain/
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at the end of the day they probably only want to catch top criminals.
If you going on porn hub or downloading few movies they probably don’t care.
There’s too many people think that they give a flying **** about the little things.
They want to fry the bigger fish like the makers/users of encro chat or the people importing 500KG of cocaine or the people planning the next bomb.
If you going on porn hub or downloading few movies they probably don’t care.
There’s too many people think that they give a flying **** about the little things.
They want to fry the bigger fish like the makers/users of encro chat or the people importing 500KG of cocaine or the people planning the next bomb.
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currently yes that is what they're interested in.
however the issue is not now, the issue is having the tools in place that can be used that way in the future, especially if the process becomes automated.
as rainmaker correctly points out internet surveillance isn't going to stop determined criminals, last i checked organized crime and terrorism has been perfectly effective without using the internet for communication.
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They will just not communicate by tech in future they will just meet up and talk about it lol
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yep, seemed to work just fine for all the terrorist and criminal organisations that were around before the internet.
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It might actually be much worse because there would be little chance they are caught if they execute it right. Regardless of the crime loose lips sink ships is the sentence thrown around.
No why would they be ....
Users of illegal streaming services, torrent sites and newsgroups on the other hand
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Hey hey hey now, don't lump newsgroups in with torrents and streaming sitesNo why would they be ....
Users of illegal streaming services, torrent sites and newsgroups on the other hand
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Last time I checked (I mean a friend checked
), watching pornhub isn't illegal, also its not UK based so don't know how that works.The ISP would see only the IP of the VPN node you are connected to. They cant see any traffic and they cant decrypt it. Most of the time it just looks like SSL traffic.
Many VPN providers also dont keep logs which are usable for anything other than debugging either. They cant be used to link history to a user.
These laws arent going to help catch someone who knows what they are doing.
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I'd be concerned by what data is collected, how it's stored and how it's used.
You could take the "nothing to hide" approach, but that depends entirely on what the data is, how it's used and by whom. Expanding on that, creating a repository of this data for good intentions is all well and good but what happens if/when that data is leaked/stolen.
We really need some transparency on this and if they don't offer it up, then I (as well as many others) will be incredibly suspicious of (and against) it.
You could take the "nothing to hide" approach, but that depends entirely on what the data is, how it's used and by whom. Expanding on that, creating a repository of this data for good intentions is all well and good but what happens if/when that data is leaked/stolen.
We really need some transparency on this and if they don't offer it up, then I (as well as many others) will be incredibly suspicious of (and against) it.
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Last time I checked (I mean a friend checked
Thats my point. They only want people doing illegal activity. That’s fair ain’t it?
But also bad actors can use the same systems to do bad things.
Assume any logs etc being kept on you are also accessible to hackers. Just like anything you put on social media is immediately compromised.
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We need to know how, though, as it seems a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. Surely you need to monitor and collect data first to arrive to a conclusion that there is criminal activity.