Surveillance of the internet for UK

DeliciousStorage said:
It may be an exaggeration but the same principle applies, nothing to hide and catching bad guys. You never know actually, I would have probably said the same thing about mass internet surveillance 15 years ago.
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If they want to put cameras in the house then that's fine. They won't see much but I know what I will do. Shake my willy at the cameras. :D
 
Bouton Aide said:
If they want to put cameras in the house then that's fine. They won't see much but I know what I will do. Shake my willy at the cameras. :D
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Hmmm, I have my doubts that you'd actually be okay with it. Do you have a Facebook account? If you truly have nothing to hide then prove it, export your Facebook data and upload all your private conversations here.
 
Bouton Aide said:
They not proposing to install cameras in every house though are they?
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Despite recent activities, the government are not stupid.... Such a proposal would cost a fortune!!
They'll wait until most people have forked out their own money for Apple iHome and Alexa and Cortana home assistant devices, before then finding ways to legally hijack them all.
:D
 
DeliciousStorage said:
Hmmm, I have my doubts that you'd actually be okay with it. Do you have a Facebook account? If you truly have nothing to hide then prove it, export your Facebook data and upload all your private conversations here.
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I don't have any social media accounts. :D

Let the willy wave commence.

billysielu said:
This is deliberate so their mates can sell vpns.
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I better become a VPN provider then.
 
ttaskmaster said:
No, you need to be caught doing something really illegal, and this is the problem - All those kiddie-fiddlers, who'd previously meet in person to share footage of kids being tied up and abused, are now able to annonymously share their stuff online to much wider audiences. It's becoming a serious problem - Authorities just don't have the resources to police it, but it's made much harder by all the security and privacy stuff.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-abuse.html


So is giving everyone the right to hide their illegal activity.
I've been snooped and subsequently investigated, partly because of some things I Googled in order to substantiate assertions made on this very forum - A few questions answered, followed by a bit of shop talk and I was on my merry way. I was looking up some dodgy stuff, but nothing outright illegal and my intentions were pure, so not a problem. I'd rather someone kept an eye and simply checked rather than the situation in the link above.
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I'm intrigued to know what you were googling.
 
Nasher said:
The ISP would see only the IP of the VPN node you are connected to. They cant see any traffic and they cant decrypt it. Most of the time it just looks like SSL traffic.

Many VPN providers also dont keep logs which are usable for anything other than debugging either. They cant be used to link history to a user.

These laws arent going to help catch someone who knows what they are doing.
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Makes sense thank you
 
call me old fashioned , and that the courts are invariably crap at sentencing but could we just get shut of the woke brigade coppers, judiciary , solicitors and mps and go and recruit a load of 16st 6ft 5 , brick ****house council estate lads into the police, and anyone evidenced of any online padeo stuff, just drag them into the back of a police van , and give em a good old school beating and repeat on a regular basis until they understand its intolerable behaviour....
 
thundercat49 said:
call me old fashioned , and that the courts are invariably crap at sentencing but could we just get shut of the woke brigade coppers, judiciary , solicitors and mps and go and recruit a load of 16st 6ft 5 , brick ****house council estate lads into the police, and anyone evidenced of any online padeo stuff, just drag them into the back of a police van , and give em a good old school beating and repeat on a regular basis until they understand its intolerable behaviour....
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Drug dealers too?
What about people traffickers?
 
thundercat49 said:
call me old fashioned , and that the courts are invariably crap at sentencing but could we just get shut of the woke brigade coppers, judiciary , solicitors and mps and go and recruit a load of 16st 6ft 5 , brick ****house council estate lads into the police, and anyone evidenced of any online padeo stuff, just drag them into the back of a police van , and give em a good old school beating and repeat on a regular basis until they understand its intolerable behaviour....
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Might have a hard time catching them if they are all 16st.
 
thundercat49 said:
call me old fashioned , and that the courts are invariably crap at sentencing but could we just get shut of the woke brigade coppers, judiciary , solicitors and mps and go and recruit a load of 16st 6ft 5 , brick ****house council estate lads into the police, and anyone evidenced of any online padeo stuff, just drag them into the back of a police van , and give em a good old school beating and repeat on a regular basis until they understand its intolerable behaviour....
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Yes, because ditching police, investigation, due process, trials and jail in favour of state sanctioned torture squads above the law has never gone badly anywhere, ever.
 
Angilion said:
Yes, because ditching police, investigation, due process, trials and jail in favour of state sanctioned torture squads above the law has never gone badly anywhere, ever.
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nobody said remove the remove the police, investigations, trials or or jail - the back of the van slapping becomes part of the process, if we going to end up funding state sponsored surveillance, which i reckon will come in , i want a positive return, not a 12 month investigation to get a short sentence.. .................... i talk with my local police weekly, most of the car thieves they know, persistent repeat offenders.... they just caught 3 - after cctv provided by a few people local to me, was collated by myself and a few others, plus finding their online bragging...- £400k worth of vehicles stolen on cctv , by 5 burglaries while families in bed, they were carrying machetes and bumping the door locks to steal keys = my local police they reckon they will get less than 12months sentence 1 age 18, 2 aged 17.
 
thundercat49 said:
nobody said remove the remove the police, investigations, trials or or jail - the back of the van slapping becomes part of the process, if we going to end up funding state sponsored surveillance, which i reckon will come in , i want a positive return, not a 12 month investigation to get a short sentence.. .................... i talk with my local police weekly, most of the car thieves they know, persistent repeat offenders.... they just caught 3 - after cctv provided by a few people local to me, was collated by myself and a few others, plus finding their online bragging...- £400k worth of vehicles stolen on cctv , by 5 burglaries while families in bed, they were carrying machetes and bumping the door locks to steal keys = my local police they reckon they will get less than 12months sentence 1 age 18, 2 aged 17.
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Did you wait 8 years to share this genius idea "back of the police van slapping"?
 
I forgot about my sub to PIA for a VPN I used on all my work related travels. It's coming to an end so thought it appropriate in this thread to ask what is the best option these days for a VPN these days? ExpressVPN seems to be at the top almost if not all review lists.
 
firstborn said:
I forgot about my sub to PIA for a VPN I used on all my work related travels. It's coming to an end so thought it appropriate in this thread to ask what is the best option these days for a VPN these days? ExpressVPN seems to be at the top almost if not all review lists.
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You'd be better starting a new thread in Networking, or just do a search. ExpressVPN will work with iPlayer and usually with Netflix, but not Amazon Prime. They don't offer WireGuard (you want this), but do offer their own similar, proprietary, protocol based on WolfSSL. They call it Lightway. It's not as fast as WireGuard (or at least their servers aren't as good as the competition, perhaps?). On a gigabit line I see basically wire speed over WireGuard to Mullvad, OVPN and AzireVPN. With Lightway on Express (free trial) I was only seeing a few hundred Mbps. YMMV.

Either of the other three I just mentioned (Mullvad, OVPN, Azire) are proven to have a strong privacy track record. Mullvad especially is good as it has port forwarding, strong servers and handy support. Expect to pay around £5 a month or less either way. Note that few VPNs will work properly with Netflix, Amazon and iPlayer etc these days.

NordVPN is an option, and always has a 'sale' on. They offer, again, a proprietary protocol called NordLynx which is essentially WireGuard with a wrapper on top that makes it less convenient for those who know what they're doing. It does work though, tends to be fast (I get over 900Mbps on a Nord server using WireGuard/NordLynx) and they work with all video streaming services. They have a patchy track record with hiding being hacked etc, but they are now audited and trying to re-shape their reputation. I wouldn't necessarily trust them with my bank and my deepest secrets, but for watching TV abroad on the cheap you can't go wrong really. As with anything, your use case and threat model is key.
 
Rainmaker said:
[..] NordVPN is an option, and always has a 'sale' on. They offer, again, a proprietary protocol called NordLynx which is essentially WireGuard with a wrapper on top that makes it less convenient for those who know what they're doing. It does work though, tends to be fast (I get over 900Mbps on a Nord server using WireGuard/NordLynx) and they work with all video streaming services. They have a patchy track record with hiding being hacked etc, but they are now audited and trying to re-shape their reputation. I wouldn't necessarily trust them with my bank and my deepest secrets, but for watching TV abroad on the cheap you can't go wrong really. As with anything, your use case and threat model is key.
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Is there anything to "They have a patchy track record with hiding being hacked etc" other than the incident in which one server in one country was incorrectly configured and might (or might not) have leaked minimal information about which websites were accessed by Nord customers using that particular server at that time, maybe?

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/whats-the-truth-about-the-nordvpn-breach-heres-what-we-now-know
 
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