Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack

[gettothechopper]

im not trolling you

I just think you have a very twisted world view and that these threads tend to attract people like yourself who come to each conversation with a conclusion and work backwards to the facts that they want to see, and that some sensible balance cant hurt

you are just as bad as the man (William Hague) you are complaining about
you complain that Hague has made his mind up without real evidence
you have made up your mind about the "rebels" without any real evidence either

 

[Tombo]

Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off. “These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”

Go on Russia, pull your support, if you do then we can make sure you don't get attacked and if you don't, well...

 

[SPG]

BBC news is a laughing stock. It is now the NEWS for the dumb generation and is biased beyond belief,to there current masters.

It has given bugger all coverage to the latest PRISM etc. The sport is a **** take from a great coverage of the olympics all those hidden gem sports and now back to football & tennis. Even Dr Who is **** these days.

 

[[TW]Fox]

going from the comments on bbc news and sky news hague is committing career suicide or is a genuine idiot who thinks the public are gullible still

Or knows something we don't. He's not stupid - there must be a reason for his thoughts. I just hope he makes that reason clear prior to any action.

 

[mmj_uk]

I've been reading the comments on a lot of articles and it seems to me the majority are aware of the tricks we are using to try to wage wars in the middle east, you just don't get it on places like OCUK where there are herd mentalities because those who do go against the grain are a target of ridicule by the pack.

Whilst the BBC may have made an honest mistake things like that can swing public opinion in a propaganda war.

 

[[TW]Fox]

If it was all a dreaful false flag conspiracy though surely sufficient effort would have gone in so that it was not able to be easily rumbled by YouTube users and people who comment on internet news articles, though?

I personally have no idea whats going on, but I seem very much in the minority as it seems everyone else on the internet knows exactly what the situation is

 

[gettothechopper]

I personally have no idea whats going on, but I seem very much in the minority as it seems everyone else on the internet knows exactly what the situation is

this is the bit i don't get - its such a huge mess and yet some bloke on the internet from up norf has a fair and firm grasp on the situation! don't risk your lives any more UN inspectors OCUK Syria thread has got it covered

 

[Amnesia]

Not in the know but very sceptical about what the government is saying because its sounding a bit like Iraq all over again.

 

[Maccapacca]

1/4 million dollars profit for every missile fired.

 

[arknor]

im not trolling you

I just think you have a very twisted world view and that these threads tend to attract people like yourself who come to each conversation with a conclusion and work backwards to the facts that they want to see, and that some sensible balance cant hurt

you are just as bad as the man (William Hague) you are complaining about
you complain that Hague has made his mind up without real evidence
you have made up your mind about the "rebels" without any real evidence either

no I haven't...

I'm still waiting for evidence rather than jumping to conclusions unlike hague I have an open mind

as I already said there are 3 sides.

assad (most to lose from a chemical attack)
rebels (a lot to gain but unlikely to want to harm their own people/civilians)
Al Nusra Front (have already been committing suicide bombings for over a year now as well as fighting against and alongside the rebels )

logic would suggest surely that if anyone were likely to want to use chemical weapons to get outside help then it would be the terrorist group who clearly couldn't care less about the rebels or the syria civilian population.
our leaders seem to want rid of assad so bad they will do whatever it takes to get a strike going and it's just going to end up with the rebels fighting al nursa and not solving anything.

this is the bit i don't get - its such a huge mess and yet some bloke on the internet from up norf has a fair and firm grasp on the situation! don't risk your lives any more UN inspectors OCUK Syria thread has got it covered

maybe if you bothered to read up on the conflict rather than just the headlines you would have a better understanding off it.

maybe start with googling "al nursa front" and finding out who they are and what they are about

 

[gettothechopper]

so if the UN inspectors come back and say it was Assad - you will trust their findings?

 

[SPG]

Thats the problem, no one believes it any-more due to political influence and the chasing of the mighty dollar. The UN really needs to get it acts together, they could start by putting Bjork in charge, she is as mad as a box of frogs and wouldnt take any **** of anyone. I would sooner put faith in her than some of the candidates tbh.

 

[Strife212]

If it was all a dreaful false flag conspiracy though surely sufficient effort would have gone in so that it was not able to be easily rumbled by YouTube users and people who comment on internet news articles, though?

Russia thinks it was the rebels. Is the FIS equal to YouTubers?

It's all politics. No one actually cares who did it, they just want to pin it on the side they oppose.

 

[The Running Man]

so if the UN inspectors come back and say it was Assad - you will trust their findings?

The Un inspectors are there only to verify the use of chemical weapons, not the user

 

[ubersonic]

I personally have no idea whats going on, but I seem very much in the minority as it seems everyone else on the internet knows exactly what the situation is

Its more a case of nobody knows what's happened (apart from whoever did it) yet Hague is able to say with absolute certainty not just what's happened (with no evidence/proof) but who did it, and not just that but its the least likely suspect.

If he's genuinely psychic then why did he bother running for office against Blair when he knew he would get battered?

 

[dowie]

The problem with the rebels launching the chemical attack is they would need access to chemical weapons.... we know the Syrian military has them - there isn't evidence so far of any rebel groups having them and it would be very worrying if they did ... the only realistic way they'd obtain chemical weapons is by capturing some stockpiles - something the US and Israel aren't going to let happen - security of the chemical weapon stockpiles has been a major concern for them from the start given the groups involved on both sides.

Whether Assad actually ordered an attack or whether someone within his military did it without authority its pretty likely it has come from that side. They've quite clearly tried to obstruct any investigation of the attack for the past few days - I don't think the US has much choice but to respond now - they've already publicly drawn the line in the sand and its been crossed now - they're going to have to at the very least carry out cruise missile strikes.

 

[Suarez7]

In before World War 3.

/notsrs

 

[Locky]

We should stay out of the way and let them carry on, they have been at it in that area of the world for a long time, so it's not going to change any time soon.

 

[SteveOBHave]

The thing that gets me is that both sides have done morally reprehensible things - the only losers here are the Syrian people and if/when the US, French and UK get their sticky beaks in it, it'll only get worse before it can get better...

So how much oil is in Syria anyway?

 

[ubersonic]

The problem with the rebels launching the chemical attack is they would need access to chemical weapons.... we know the Syrian military has them - there isn't evidence so far of any rebel groups having them

Do try and keep up if you read back you will see a news article from when loyalist forces captured a rebel base where they had been stockpiling chemical weapons (some with the shipping info from Saudi Arabia still on it) reportedly for the purpose of chemically shelling Damascus.

Here ill save you the trouble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXezs1YY01I&feature=youtube_gdata_player