Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack

[Kaapstad]

Why do the west want to get involved in these conflicts where both sides are as bad as each other. Can anyone mention a middle east country in the last 30 years which is better off after the west got involved.

I think if Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan were fighting each other our western governments would want to back one of them.

 

[MrMoonX]

What about the rest of the country? England doesn't even have a seat at the UN, fat lot of good their criticism will do.

you've clearly never played the game civilisation his post was a joke lol

 

[arknor]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/29/opinion/bergen-al-qaeda-power-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

I fail to see the moral difference between killing a child with a bomb, a bullet or a chemical weapon? Are we seriously putting a value on a child's life according to the method in which they are killed? I would say they are all equally unacceptable and if we have a moral obligation to stop one, then we have a moral obligation to stop them all.

Me to the people who originally sought to ban chemical weapons would likely have banned the massive bombs we have today as well.

I suspect the reasoning behind the original gas ban was not how they kill but because they don't discriminate between combatants and civilians and also because they cause such a massive amount of deaths in a single action much like some of our huge modern bombs do..

you can almost guarantee they would ban WP as you can see from the videos I posted earlier of how it falls from exploding artillery shells it's like a rain of chemical fire and there's no way anyone would want to find them self in it's path.
It's certainly not the "smoke screen" America tried to claim it was used for when they are using explosives to make it catch fire and disperse like it does

if someone gave you a choice

1. shot in the stomach and left to die for hours
2. head caved in with a rifle butt could take awhile
3. staked next to a grenade
4. cyanide gas likely dead in several seconds

You would likely choose the gas?

 

[platypus]

The use of WP against civilians isn't dubious, its clearly against the protocols laid out for these kinds of munitions:

I'd say that's pretty black and white considering the frequent use of prohibited, followed by the circumstances surrounding its prohibition.

I wonder why the States weren't trying to get a vote through for military action when Israel used WP against Palestine..

 

[Locky]

I am over the moon that the government had lost both votes and David Cameron must go. I hate him. I had phoned up the MP the day before to raise voice my angry and furious against David Cameron and disagree with him. I told the MP, the whole heart of British public doesn't want any war and I have to say NO, NO WAR please. So, I am very pleased my vote was against him to say NO. Well done MP's.

I expecting USA President Obama will pulled out as well because UK isn't going there now. Thanks godness!

Well done Bulldog you saved the UK

 

[platypus]

I am over the moon that the government had lost both votes and David Cameron must go. I hate him. I had phoned up the MP the day before to raise voice my angry and furious against David Cameron and disagree with him. I told the MP, the whole heart of British public doesn't want any war and I have to say NO, NO WAR please. So, I am very pleased my vote was against him to say NO. Well done MP's.

I expecting USA President Obama will pulled out as well because UK isn't going there now. Thanks godness!

As this is GD I'll state that I'm not a massive fan, but why must Cameron go? There are clear moves in the international community towards military action, he put it to the MPs, they said no, and now we won't go to war. Great result, but why must the PM go for doing the right thing?

Get over yourself.

 

[Devlish]

I am over the moon that the government had lost both votes and David Cameron must go. I hate him. I had phoned up the MP the day before to raise voice my angry and furious against David Cameron and disagree with him. I told the MP, the whole heart of British public doesn't want any war and I have to say NO, NO WAR please. So, I am very pleased my vote was against him to say NO. Well done MP's.

I expecting USA President Obama will pulled out as well because UK isn't going there now. Thanks godness!

You definitely dont speak for me, especially with that grammar. The only person I want to see gone is that weasel Milliband.

 

[elmarko]

You definitely dont speak for me, especially with that grammar. The only person I want to see gone is that weasel Milliband.

Why?, he has no real power & isn't responsible for the problems we have today in society.

I can understand not wanting to vote for him, but this kind of irrational hatred you seem to posses highlights deeper issues tbh.

 

[platypus]

What happens if, shudder, Labour get back into power; do you think Miliband would be replaced?

 

[thep02]

If it was all a dreaful false flag conspiracy though surely sufficient effort would have gone in so that it was not able to be easily rumbled by YouTube users and people who comment on internet news articles, though?

I personally have no idea whats going on, but I seem very much in the minority as it seems everyone else on the internet knows exactly what the situation is

That would be assuming hague was capable of competence, he's quite clearly not, the most see through manipulative t****r ever.

 

[Kaapstad]

What happens if, shudder, Labour get back into power; do you think Miliband would be replaced?

By someone more left wing?

 

[leaskovski]

What happens if, shudder, Labour get back into power; do you think Miliband would be replaced?

Can we remove the politics from this please. There is a time and place for party bashing, and this isn't one of them. Party politics should not come in to a vote of such importance, and those that think it does are just silly. See the bigger picture please.

 

[scorza]

I voted Unsure in the poll but now MPs have voted I can't help but feel relieved that we're staying out of it. What's going on in Syria is terrible - the news report last night about the possible napalming of a school made me feel sick to my stomach. The Assad regime must be held to account for all its crimes not just the CW attacks but I can't see how military intervention will achieve anything when there isn't a credible opposition. Russia too must be made to pay for its unconditional support of a regime committing the most awful war crimes.

Yesterday's vote in the House of Commons was really interesting, has the legacy of Iraq brought an end to the principles of neo-liberal interventionism I wonder...

 

[Efour]

i am glad they voted and have at least delayed the act for now.

No one needs to be "sacked" It was a very close vote though.

They need to stop running their mouths off though. Sabre rattling idiots.

 

[Devlish]

What happens if, shudder, Labour get back into power; do you think Miliband would be replaced?

What a thought. His brother was always the natural leader and he was always the snake in the grass, now so beholden to the unions and desperate to cling on he'll pull any populist stunt. Well I suppose e get the leaders we deserve.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

If I was Cameron, I'd resign on principle, pointing out that I cannot be part of a parliament which is home to the cowardly opposition who are unwilling to stand up against dictators. With that done, I'd secure my place in British history, doom Labour to a defeat at the next election and got someone competent in charge of the Tories.

 

[arctine]

I fail to see the moral difference between killing a child with a bomb, a bullet or a chemical weapon? Are we seriously putting a value on a child's life according to the method in which they are killed? I would say they are all equally unacceptable and if we have a moral obligation to stop one, then we have a moral obligation to stop them all.

Of course killing is never going to be right and especially when comes to children.

Leaving children aside, as someone who used to be in the mob, I'll be surprised if you don't see a moral difference between attacking your enemies with bullets/bombs and attacking them with nerve agent.

 

[Devlish]

Can we remove the politics from this please. There is a time and place for party bashing, and this isn't one of them. Party politics should not come in to a vote of such importance, and those that think it does are just silly. See the bigger picture please.

don't be daft, it was pure politics from the start. Miliband engineered the defeat for party political reasons. So very clever.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...out-the-syria-vote-miliband-changed-his-mind/

 

[arknor]

If I was Cameron, I'd resign on principle, pointing out that I cannot be part of a parliament which is home to the cowardly opposition who are unwilling to stand up against dictators. With that done, I'd secure my place in British history, doom Labour to a defeat at the next election and got someone competent in charge of the Tories.

I'd be glad is cameron stepped down he was never voted in anyway.

don't be daft, it was pure politics from the start. Miliband engineered the defeat for party political reasons. So very clever.

the majority of the public don't want us involved why should miliband let someone dictate our military action?

if cameron does the opposite of what the public want then he is no better than any middle east dictator?

 

[FTM]

high time the UN was pressuring the arab league to do something

why cant they sort out their own problems in their sphere on influence

there are enough military powers in that region to do something if they had the will

we get sucked into these things then when the first stray missile drops on a school or a housing area they are burning our flag in the streets right across the region

both sides in this conflict have committed atrocities..and we would only make things worse in the region as a whole.

time to let them sort out their own regional problems