Taboo topics and the lack of evidence

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I don't know if this is simply ignorance on my part of whether there genuinely isn't the information out there but something has been bugging me for a while.

Some of the hot topics of the past few years and one of the sticks people use to beat the conservative government is their handling of benefits.

Both sides argue yet neither side seems to have anything to back up their point of view.

Are benefits enough to live on essentially?

We hear quite often about person x who has to go to a food bank to feed her three children, person y who can't afford to put the heating on etc.

We are told that food banks are opening up all over the place as a response to the growing problem of people not being able to afford to feed themselves. That appears to be evidence of a problem but things are not so simple. If the stigma of food banks is reduced and the number of people wanting to help increases due to the publicity around this issue then it is not necessarily evidence of direct cause and effect.

Apparently the number of people saying they cannot afford to feed themselves has dropped while the number of food banks has exploded.

Sometimes there is a story in the papers about someone on benefits who feeds themselves for a pittance and you have to wonder how much of peoples poverty is self inflicted.

Is there a study out there that has followed families spending and accounted for every penny and come to the conclusion that they are not wasting money and simply don't get enough. It doesn't seem like a good career move to claim that benefits are enough to live on so you have two options. You either claim they are not enough and that you are a sympathetic person who wants to raise the amount they are given or you skirt around the issue and never address it face on.

So, whats the word. Is there such a study and what are your views on this?

I don't want people to argue over whether they are necessary, if they are abused or whether people deserve more money or less. I am asking whether there is any directed study on the amount benefits pay and whether it is sufficient. Asking people is not evidence.
 
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The problem is: Benefits are paid in cash. That cash is then spent on the latest iPhones, fags, drugs, betting slips and booze rather than food and clothes and energy bills...

A simple solution would be to just give everyone on Benefits a Credit Card style payment system. A Card that can only be used for the essentials required to live in the UK, it won't buy fags and booze or betting slips and every other 'Non-essential'.

Sure they can sell whatever they get with the benefits Card but that wouldn't last long as there would be no market for it.

Crime Rates would probably sky rocket but the Govt. would actually love that, they would use it as an excuse to bring in new Laws to further erode our Civil Liberties and control us.
 
The problem is: Benefits are paid in cash. That cash is then spent on the latest iPhones, fags, drugs, betting slips and booze rather than food and clothes and energy bills...

There's a problem here: the above opinion is popularly held, and espoused by awful newspapers, yet is there any evidence to back it up? Unlikely.

It is similar to the disability benefits: a huge swathe of the country think that disability cheats are rife yet studies seem to show that it is a ridiculously tiny proportion of claimants that are fraudulent.
 
depends on the individual - their level of debt, cost of their housing etc.. do they smoke, drink etc..

of course it is perfectly possible to live sensibly within a tight budget, takes a bit more planning and care etc...

then again a significant enough number of people who are unemployed or jumping around from min wage role to min wage role often aren't exactly well organised or sensible... perhaps have other 'issues' etc..

food banks are used by all sorts of people on benefits or low incomes - the fact they are used doesn't necessarily indicate that benefits or wages aren't sufficient, rather that some people are seemingly unable to manage
 
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A food bank has opened up at the local church to me. I walked to the shop which is opposite and they had a queue of around 10 people outside waiting to go in. They all had those bag for life things with them.

Coming out of the shop I saw a young bloke around 25, the latest Sports Direct sales clothing on with a bag of this food from the foodbank, trying to sell the food he had been given to people going into the shop.

Not often I am speechless, but this was one such occasion.

I have no idea how to fix the situation.
 
It is similar to the disability benefits: a huge swathe of the country think that disability cheats are rife yet studies seem to show that it is a ridiculously tiny proportion of claimants that are fraudulent.

lots of people were previously receiving such benefits when they perhaps should't have been receiving them - that isn't the same as those claims being fraudulent per say
 
Saw title about taboo topics and came in expecting something amazing, to then discover a topic about benefits.

I am disappoint.
 
There's a problem here: the above opinion is popularly held, and espoused by awful newspapers, yet is there any evidence to back it up? Unlikely.

I don't read Newspapers let alone awful ones, I can only go from what I see with my own eyes from my own local Benefits Brigade.
 
an easy way to eliminate the need for charity food banks would be to pay a portion of existing benefits in the form of food vouchers... then everyone by default has sufficient food(in theory)

though in reality you'd very likely see those vouchers sold at a discount by some
 
I obviously framed the question badly because I didn't want this to just be a what do you think about food banks and whether people need/ deserve benefits.

I want to know whether any actual studies have been done into the claims that people can't survive on benefits and NEED food banks. If there aren't these studies, why not.
 
The problem is that living on bennies is now a lifestyle choice which is something that none of the architects of the Welfare State ever considered happening.
 
Food banks are good and bad I guess. Some people will abuse so they don't have to buy food giving them more money to do what ever with. Others who generally have fallen on hard times will help them out loads. How do you control that I have no idea.

I think most benefits will be enough to live on for sure but everyone has a different levels of what they consider "living". If you go to the super markets and spend the benefits on branded items/luxuries you will struggle were as non branded items with no luxuries your survive I would think.

Like others have pointed out there will always be someone abusing the system and clearly benefits are enough to live on otherwise we have 100,000 of people dying from cold, hungry etc. I think the media are to blame for one showing the abusers of the system while damming the government at the same time......

Sadly I have no solutions and I sit on the fence on this issue.
 
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