Tate Brothers - Round 2

Werewolf said:
It's really weird how I've spoken to teachers who've been in the job for 20+ years and they've said it's worse now than even when they were at school, and how they're actually getting Tate quotes thrown at them.

And lol at your little bit of nonsense at the end of that.


The first time I really heard of Tate was a few years back when a friends wife who works in a good school in a "good" area mentioned how she and other staff were having real problems with tate inspired behaviour of a type they'd never seen before and that she knew her school didn't have it as bad as some where her friends worked.
It's almost like having that sort of person setting themselves up as a role model for how to treat women, and having it available to anyone and everyone with no regulation, nothing to stop them accessing it, and a few clicks away is something a little bit different to the 80's and 90's.

I certainly don't remember this sort of behaviour being normal, or accepted by some when I was in school in that period, and the schools I went to were not necessarily great (I'm not going to mention names, but one was in a part of the UK that is really not nice).
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You think it's nonsense that male teachers are more likely to be able to control a classroom than female ones?
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
You think it's nonsense that male teachers are more likely to be able to control a classroom than female ones?
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As if there weren't ruthless women in the job before?

The problem isn't the sex of the teacher it's the belief system at play in pedagogy and having to play parent/psychologist to barely cognitive children who've been abandoned by their parents.
 
Indeed.
I dint go to a **** school but it wasn't posh too. We had our fair share of troublemaker's. I was in top sets for most subjects though and tbh all the **** kids were not in my class lol.

We had both male and female teachers that could dominate a class just by raising their voice. Then we had teachers that would literally leave the class room in tears because kids knew how to get inside their heads.

My sister was a home economics teacher for a while, she got physically abused, spat at, constantly verbally abused. She quit because she said she was frightened she was going to end up fighting one next time she was attacked.

Honestly bring back corporal punishment in schools. Some kids just need an absolute beating and that's it . They probably crave the attention.
They are fearless now. There's no punishment that scares a teenage boy.
 
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GIBURROWS said:
This is hilarious, I'm sure the females were just as fast or as strong as the male teachers as well.....
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If you think that schoolteachers need physical strength to run a class, you're probably stuck in the 70's, they've not been allowed to hit students since at least the late 80's and it was dying out well before then because it was recognised that beating students didn't actually do much except to teach the students that physical force was the answer to all problems.

The funny thing is, in the schools I went to the male teachers tended to get more stick than the female ones.
 
Efour said:
Indeed.
I dint go to a **** school but it wasn't posh too. We had our fair share of troublemaker's. I was in top sets for most subjects though and tbh all the **** kids were not in my class lol.

We had both male and female teachers that could dominate a class just by raising their voice. Then we had teachers that would literally leave the class room in tears because kids knew how to get inside their heads.

My sister was a home economics teacher for a while, she got physically abused, spat at, constantly verbally abused. She quit because she said she was frightened she was going to end up fighting one next time she was attacked.

Honestly bring back corporal punishment in schools. Some kids just need an absolute beating and that's it . They probably crave the attention.
They are fearless now. There's no punishment that scares a teenage boy.
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Is that before or after said kids falsely accuse said teacher with being a nonce on Tiktok or whatever else?

Game's changed sadly.
 
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Being goaded all day long, every day, every week, for what must be forever and if you react just the once your career is on the line. The false allegations/rumours/misrepresentation. Having to delicately dance around an absolute ***** of a kid to avoid setting stuff off that could result in the chavvy parent(s) showing up to tell you how it's wrong to shout at little Timmy.

The way I saw teachers treated while at school cemented in my mind that in no shape or form would I ever consider it as a career.
 
StriderX said:
Is that before or after said kids falsely accuse said teacher with being a nonce on Tiktok or whatever else?

Game's changed sadly.
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It's not changed just weapons have developed. I'm pretty sure we had a kid play the nonce card against a teacher.
But yeah I'm sure it's once a day at most schools now.. sad lol..
 
Efour said:
Indeed.
I dint go to a **** school but it wasn't posh too. We had our fair share of troublemaker's. I was in top sets for most subjects though and tbh all the **** kids were not in my class lol.

We had both male and female teachers that could dominate a class just by raising their voice. Then we had teachers that would literally leave the class room in tears because kids knew how to get inside their heads.

My sister was a home economics teacher for a while, she got physically abused, spat at, constantly verbally abused. She quit because she said she was frightened she was going to end up fighting one next time she was attacked.

Honestly bring back corporal punishment in schools. Some kids just need an absolute beating and that's it . They probably crave the attention.
They are fearless now. There's no punishment that scares a teenage boy.
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My ex taught at 2 working class schools, both working class, 1 mainly Pakistani, 1 mainly white. At 1 school she said it was about 'crowd control', where as at the well behaved school she said she could actually teach. The ethnicity isn't what separated the behaviour. At the 'Outstanding' school the teachers would give the kids Alex Ferguson style hairdryer yelling in their face treatment. There was no 'beatings' as you put it, but no messing about either. They managed to get fantastic GCSE results from working class kids.

As the old saying goes, if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. You need consistent boundaries in schools
 
Fubsy said:
Being goaded all day long, every day, every week, for what must be forever and if you react just the once your career is on the line. The false allegations/rumours/misrepresentation. Having to delicately dance around an absolute ***** of a kid to avoid setting stuff off that could result in the chavvy parent(s) showing up to tell you how it's wrong to shout at little Timmy.

The way I saw teachers treated while at school cemented in my mind that in no shape or form would I ever consider it as a career.
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This, I'm surprised anyone wants to do it. It's gone way too far in the other direction where teachers basically have no power and kids who are being bullied end up being the ones who have to face the consequences of being sent to a room alone so the bully can't get to them at least while they're at school. Several confirmed cases of this at our local secondary school.
 
Seeing the way my friends eight year old son speaks to him :eek:

It's because he has ADHD......erm no he doesn't, he needs discipline and a joy good......anyway..
 
It's hard to tell if it's an excuse unless you know they've been diagnosed and how it presents in them. It affects people in different ways.

It's a neurodivergence and while it's usually not as severe as autism in terms of the impact it has on social communication, it can still impact their ability to communicate appropriately.

Kids do all sorts of things they shouldn't do and giving them a good smack, as I assume you meant by "and a joy good," is not the answer. Boomers, Gen Xers, and even many Millennials were raised with this kind of discipline and it still produced a lot of potty-mouthed miscreants who don't know right from wrong.

In my primary and secondary schools, there were numerous kids who swore at and even hit teachers in the 90s and 2000s.
 
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"Kids do all sorts of things they shouldn't do and giving them a good smack, as I assume you meant by "and a joy good," is not the answer."

Citation?

Discipline is essential in children. Done early enough a slap on the wrist (literally) is all thats needed. Children have a built in survival instinct that means they should not want to 'bite the hand that feeds' in a stable secure environment. I suspect it's last part that is missing.
 
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