Some F1 fans don't want to believe that team orders exist. Strange, when you consider that on national TV Coulthard (former driver) and Jordan (former team owner) have both emphatically stated that team orders exist and are currently in operation.
Team Orders WMSC meeting on 8th Sept
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Some F1 fans don't want to believe that team orders exist. Strange, when you consider that on national TV Coulthard (former driver) and Jordan (former team owner) have both emphatically stated that team orders exist and are currently in operation.
Um....that would be the same Jean Todt who said the following would it?
So if he had a word with the panel members about his opinion, it obviously didn't take....
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On a different note: Italian Grand Prix this weekend! Woo!
I'm not going to accuse him of being a liar, if that's what you mean.
Anyway, it's done now. Going to look forward to Monza instead of looking back at this.
Indeed, wasnt expecting Ferrari to get punished...anyone who thought that would happen was being a bit optimistic.
FIA aka Ferrari International Assistance....bloody bunch of jokers tbh.
How utterly ridiculous.
A) past events were not investigated, just like Massas "jump start" was not investigated before final results published. Does that mean FIA will not punish that ever again as it is now inconsistent.
B) this year was meant to be the start of a fairer and improved FIA.
Total fail
I don't really care if this rule is in place or not. But can we have some consistent ruling please and can we follow the rule book, you FIA after all made it.
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Yawn.
If a ferrari driver did what Hamilton did in Valencia and received a very late penalty that cost him nothing then you would have said that was the Ferrari International Assistance in action again. Hamilton has had some very lenient judgements against him, like fined/warned for racing in the pit lane and weaving all over the race track- again if a Ferrari driver did that and got the same punishment everyone would be crying 'Ferrari International Assistance'.
This Autosport article pretty much confirms what I have been saying- that it's both very hard to prove that Ferrari used team orders and that team orders have been happened and been ignored in the recent past.
That's not what FIA decided. FIA decided they did clearly use team orders.
Shouldn't make any diffrence they where not investigated before confirmed results.
Should everyone who misses there start grid now be let off as no punishment or investigation into Massa?
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare or use past team orders as an excuse, unless those supposed team orders where registered with FIA and investigated.
And lets not forget this was meant to be a new FIA, so all previous punishments should not be counted as they themselves admitted that punishments had not been consistent and hence, changed where made and a new start.
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The FIA understand completely that team orders are in place in virtually every race. What Ferrari did was make it obvious.
The FIA also understand how difficult it would be to Police the team order ban.
In fairness, Ferrari did 100% the right thing. They need to maximise their chances of winning something this year and as such, their best bet lies with Alonso. Had they not done what they did, Alonso would've been a further 7 points behind Hamilton, at this moment in time.
The FIA also understand how difficult it would be to Police the team order ban.
In fairness, Ferrari did 100% the right thing. They need to maximise their chances of winning something this year and as such, their best bet lies with Alonso. Had they not done what they did, Alonso would've been a further 7 points behind Hamilton, at this moment in time.
what Ferrari did was make it provable.
If the rule exists punish, if they don't want it, remove it.
Of course Ferrari did what was best for them.
...and there is nothing wrong that...as far as I see it.
IMO, RBR would've been leading the title race by now (with Vettel), had they been more bold and explained to Webber that he is No.2 and that Vettel will get preference in any situation where they are running next to each other. In order to enforce such a strategy though, requires "balls" and Horner doesnt have the balls to enforce the No.2 tag onto Webber.
Had McLaren management not been playing happy families in 2007, and enforced their drivers to follow a No.1/No.2 system, they would've won the drivers title in 2007, without doubt.
What I like about Ferrari management is that they make their decisions - right or wrong - and stand by them...unlike Horner who makes a decision, cocks it up then comes on TV changing his stories as it suits him.
it's not about what is god for Ferrari. It's about what FIA do against a team found to be cheating, which the FIA has.
That is what is wrong with the decision.
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I suspect that the truth of the matter is that the FUI's lawyers convinced the FUI that if they took any action against Ferrari it would be overturned when Ferrari went to court. As is so often the case, the only winners would be the lawyers
Told Massa and Alonso to turn down their engines to preserve them, then allowed Alonso to turn his up again, and didn't tell Massa.
Alonso couldn't get past Massa with increased power so whined to the pit that 'I am much faster than him'
Told Massa that Alonso was faster 4 times before Smedley came out with the 'Can you confirm you understand this message' 'Good lad... Sorry'
Told the FIA there was no team orders *lying to stewards... well they got away with that one*
Went to the WMSC and essentially said it was for the good of the team and everyone does it - well the team standing would have changed witht he drivers the correct way round and as for everyone does it... There's the little thing called... proof?
Were found complete guilty - rules state that no team orders are allowed - and were not punished and have managed to essentially change the rule book in the process in a way that no-one else can - retrospectively.
Add to that Toad comes out with 'There was not enough evidence' when their own reporting clearly states that there was team orders!
Oh and..
