tearing... dvi vs vga

I always use my DVI connection, if I need to get to the BIOS I use VGA but on boot with VGA (black screen) I see lots of what I can only describe as interference on the screen, with the DVI I see nothing but jet black, digital has got to help surely?

I may be wrong!
 
DVI will make no difference to image tearing, that is caused by loss of synchronisation between the graphics card and display. DVI is basically a pure end to end digital connection, and so in theory should offer a sharper and crisper image. However, modern VGA connections have very good sharpening alogorithms and the quality of many VGA only displays is very comparable to DVI models anyway. DVI might help but often it's very minimal on modern TFT's
 
so the only way to stop tearing without having vsync on is to turn up all the graphics details and slowing the game down to the monitors refresh rate.
 
SameSuspect said:
so the only way to stop tearing without having vsync on is to turn up all the graphics details and slowing the game down to the monitors refresh rate.
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Why don't you just turn vsync on? :confused:
 
SameSuspect said:
so the only way to stop tearing without having vsync on is to turn up all the graphics details and slowing the game down to the monitors refresh rate.
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That wouldn't stop tearing. Whatever the framerate you will still get the refresh of the screen and video card being out of sync regularly. With a lower framerate you may even notice tearing more because it will be on the screen for longer and the tear will be between two very different frames. At a very high framerate the tears will be smaller, but you will get more of them. The only way to get rid of tearing is to turn v-sync on.

There are ways to cope with the problems associated with having v-sync on - use tripple buffering where possible, use a higher refresh rate, and try to get the game running faster by turning res/options down.
 
SameSuspect said:
so the only way to stop tearing without having vsync on is to turn up all the graphics details and slowing the game down to the monitors refresh rate.
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Or enabling vsync..... tearing has always been a problem with lcd monitors because of their low refresh rate.
 
i just tried everything on high, trying to bring the fps down and your right it does tear just as much, vsyncs the only way to stop it.

I have to have everything set low in bf2, with aa and af off to get a stable fps above 60. Do you think an extra 7600 would let me bring the settings higher?

i dont see any point in getting a 19" widescreen when im having probs with 1152x864.

1440 x 900 would push it too hard me thinks. maybe even in sli?
 
Don't mean to just needlessly repeat what others have said here, but why can't you just turn v-sync on? The FPS hit shouldn't be too bad in a modern game like BF2 which should support tripple buffering.
 
The reason I don't use v-sync is because it causes my mouse to lag CONSIDERABLY, although I only really badly notice this is CS 1.6, I'm sure it affects all other games to a degree. Please, don't try to tell me that I shouldn't/can't be getting lag as I've looked this up for a very long time now and it's a very well known problem with it.
 
I AM using vsync (and tripple buffering) now i know its the only way to stop tearing but when i have it on with aa/af and the other settings on medium or high.. the fps plummits as low as 30 (with settings on high).
With everything on low.. the fps stays roughly 75 which is nice

if i was to buy another 7600gt, would i be able to play with these settings on high maybe?

my english must be crap
 
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V-sync doesnt reduce the framerate to anything lower than what the monitors set at. Its just because the 7600 isnt a top range graphics card I dont see whats wrong with 30fps tbh but your better off buying a new card than using 2 7600s in sli.
 
Energize said:
V-sync doesnt reduce the framerate to anything lower than what the monitors set at. Its just because the 7600 isnt a top range graphics card I dont see whats wrong with 30fps tbh but your better off buying a new card than using 2 7600s in sli.
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vsync does reduce fps lower than the monitors refresh rate.

i cant see how you can possibly play at 30fps. it totaly ruins gameplay alltogether, it affects aiming, moving and everything else when it comes to first person shooters. even in games like civilization IV.

sometimes when playing bf2 online you see newbs freeze and turn extra shi when theirs a lot going on. the higher fps takes a lot of advantage over this.

im going for the HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X1900 XT ICEQ 3 SILENT. should see a lot of improvement
 
Surely anything below 25 fps would be noticeable... 30ish should just look fine. Or am I missing something here?
 
SameSuspect said:
vsync does reduce fps lower than the monitors refresh rate.
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Disable vsync and your framerate wont improve from 30 because its not vsync causing the low fps. Its because you have a mid range graphics card, lower the settings and your framerate will go up.

i cant see how you can possibly play at 30fps. it totaly ruins gameplay alltogether, it affects aiming, moving and everything else when it comes to first person shooters. even in games like civilization IV.
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It doesnt ruin gameplay at all, a lot of normal pc users run at 30fps or lower and it doesnt bother them, the only thing I notice is extra smoothness in fps games, I dont have any problems aiming at 25fps even, the difference isnt noticeable for me, maybe Im just a good shot.

sometimes when playing bf2 online you see newbs freeze and turn extra shi when theirs a lot going on. the higher fps takes a lot of advantage over this.
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im going for the HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X1900 XT ICEQ 3 SILENT. should see a lot of improvement
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Exactly because the problem isnt caused by vsync.
 
SameSuspect said:
yes it is. vsync slows down the gc loads, like 30/40 fps!!
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It doesnt slow down unless your using double buffering and have a card running slower than the monitors refresh rate, it only limits it to the monitors fps. I got awful tearing in the prey demo, as soon as I enabled vsync fraps reported constant 100fps which is my monitors refresh rate.
 
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