It was, Salvation basically played on from the end of t3 with the nuclear war starting. But their big mistake with that movie was they focused on the early war against the machines which was absolutely nothing like the flashback scenes that people expected to see finally fully fleshed out. It just felt like a big empty sand pit with nothing much going on.
Terminator: Dark Fate
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It was, Salvation basically played on from the end of t3 with the nuclear war starting. But their big mistake with that movie was they focused on the early war against the machines which was absolutely nothing like the flashback scenes that people expected to see finally fully fleshed out. It just felt like a big empty sand pit with nothing much going on.
apart from that big massive robot that somehow managed to sneak up on them in the garage. I quite liked the future bits of genisys.
And the transport that it was on, it must have had tip top mode, that would have made for a funny visual of it creeping up on tip toes.
The future parts of genisys were pretty good, as was the rendition of the young Arnold. Salvation had a $200 million budget and its mainly empty space, think the bulk of that budget went up the casts noses.
Yeah that's the usual hollywood gimmick, budget times 2 for some reason to break even. I find it hard to believe 200 million was spent on advertising, it seemed to mainly consist of variations of the trailer.
Was a pretty good movie i thought, i don't think Tim Millers misogynist comments a few months back helped things. I thought the rev-9 brought something new to the party and the way they had him speak was more fitting of an infiltration unit vs past terminators that always seemed "off".
All in all though it was another modern day Terminator movie when a future based movie would have been more than preferable. Had they based this around the flashbacks from t1-t2 it would likely have made a killing at the box office as people have been waiting for that movie for years, and continue to do so.
I think for the time being at least this will be the last one made, maybe when Cameron is done pumping out Avatar sequels he can have a fresh look at Terminator.
All in all though it was another modern day Terminator movie when a future based movie would have been more than preferable. Had they based this around the flashbacks from t1-t2 it would likely have made a killing at the box office as people have been waiting for that movie for years, and continue to do so.
I think for the time being at least this will be the last one made, maybe when Cameron is done pumping out Avatar sequels he can have a fresh look at Terminator.
No, i don't.
If you factor in salvation theres a line where "skynet" says something along the lines of "time and again our best machines failed", like its aware of the multiple attempts to assassinate connor in the past.
Doesn't take much scrutiny to see the story doesn't make much sense.
Doesn't take much scrutiny to see the story doesn't make much sense.
Why the opening scene was so short:
ILM was responsible for those effects, strange that another company could do it in Genisys for the young Arnold but ILM couldn't make a good job of it in this.
A deleted shot was of "Carl" getting the skin torn off his arm by the rev-9, it's described as "dangling like a piece of beef jerky". But they thought it went too far and was removed.
Because the eyeball scene in t1 and the arm skin scene in t2 were so much tamer, apparently.
The assembly cut of the movie was almost 3 hours long, be interesting to see what didn't make it in.
And a quote from Tim Miler:
The opening scene was originally longer as it featured dialogue between Sarah and John. This was cut from the final film as Cameron and Miller believed that the visual effects did not hold up well when the characters spoke.
ILM was responsible for those effects, strange that another company could do it in Genisys for the young Arnold but ILM couldn't make a good job of it in this.
A deleted shot was of "Carl" getting the skin torn off his arm by the rev-9, it's described as "dangling like a piece of beef jerky". But they thought it went too far and was removed.
Because the eyeball scene in t1 and the arm skin scene in t2 were so much tamer, apparently.The assembly cut of the movie was almost 3 hours long, be interesting to see what didn't make it in.
And a quote from Tim Miler:
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I'd prefer they kill Connor off than have Furlong reprise the role looking how he does now. Might have been a different story had he not been a junkie for the last decade plus, he was meant to be in T3 as well but was replaced at the last minute, supposedly due to problems over his addictions.
And with how Connor was killed off it makes sense, Skynet as far as they were concerned was dead and the future was going to be different, no more Terminators etc so makes sense that a few years down the line they would have let their guard down. The scene could have been longer or fleshed out more but as said above the cg looked ropey when they spoke, so its either go with an edited version of what they had, or go the ropey cg avenue which would have led to more online whinging about how "the effects in t2 looked better" which seems to be the opinion of the Mr Magoo appreciation society.
Well their budget was just under 200 million so they had the money, just seems that it only looked right in certain situations. Similar to Tarkin in rogue one, some scenes he looked fine, others he looked off.
Think it was MPC that did the effects for genisys so might have been better to go with them as their young Arnold was really well done.
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They did but the framing etc wasn't right to make the shots the same as in the original movie so it was basically all scrapped and redone.
It's talked about in this video that more or less the entire thing was redone in cg.
And if you compare that to ilm's efforts in 2009
Which is really only a cg face and some of the chest, originally you were only going to see his face for a brief moment when the camera pans up after the door gets punched off, the plan was to have Bale shoot its face off (that was assuming the cg face was a bit iffy in close), but it turned out better than expected so was used in a few more shots. The throwinator wasn't nearly as convincing despite being a real person with a composited face.
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Damn, they did a brilliant job then
There was more to that scene than made it into the movie, they didn't think the de-aged characters speaking looked real enough so the scene was cut down to be much shorter.
I think that was down to him having stubble for whatever reason in the opening, he's always been clean shaven as the young t-800 so it was something that immediately looked different. Think the face was also slightly on the narrow side.
It was the second attempt to start a new trilogy, suppose technically the third attempt as Salvation was also trying to start a new trilogy.
If they actually done a future war movie as seen in the flashbacks it could well work, that's the one area they haven't tried yet. Salvation was vaguely in that type of setting but it was essentially a movie set in a desert with bugger all going on.
Could have been better, in contrast to the united front that Miller and Cameron put on for interviews there was a lot of butting heads behind the scenes when it came to this movie. I think at that point they should have realised it wasn't gonna work as they couldn't get on the same page and maybe delay things until the story was better developed.
But it seems like they just went ahead with it hoping the "women r teh win" bandwagon in Hollywood at the time would make it stand out and make it a success. Didn't help that Grace's character was so utterly unlikable, and yet again the movie was essentially another modern day T2 re-tread.
I still think a full movie set in the future war with skynet would work, one of the creators of Genisys is on record in an interview talking about "we know the fans want the future war so this movie has a a long future war sequence". So you'd think that would be the full premise of the movie instead of yet again trying to redo T2. Salvation was sort of an attempt at that, but the entire movie was just empty desert with a couple of t600's derping about, not the ruined city apocalypse with terminators marching around everywhere as depicted in the flashbacks in t1 and t2.
If they're gonna do another movie it simply can't be modern day yet again, thats been done to death and doesn't work anymore.
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