Terminator Reboot

ianh said:
Plus they're only killing Humans and not all living creatures so, once the Humans were gone the planet could heal itself again and the wilderness/nature could take back control of the planet.

It was always an interesting side-thought I had about the franchise - say Skynet fully won and every single last human was gone................then what? Do all the terminators and HK's etc shut down, do they wander the planet directionless until their nuclear power cells run out, do the terminators go robot-crazy with nothing to do for decades/centuries, do they just freeze in place until their power cells run out, how do they react with animals like bears/wolves etc do they see them as a threat etc etc........................so many late night drunken questions!
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I asked the same thing a long while back in another thread, what's the end game for Skynet if it wins? Does it then take to space and look for other worlds to rule? It always was a weird storyline, and in general never made much sense, especially when Skynet only figured it needed to send a single machine back in time to take out Connor. You'd think it would better it's odds and send back multiples, but nope. 1 at a time for some reason. They could have easily worked around that question with power utilisation for time travel being a factor and to send a single machine back would take months of building power levels up.
 
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Gerard said:
I asked the same thing a long while back in another thread, what's the end game for Skynet if it wins? Does it then take to space and look for other worlds to rule? It always was a weird storyline, and in general never made much sense, especially when Skynet only figured it needed to send a single machine back in time to take out Connor. You'd think it would better it's odds and send back multiples, but nope. 1 at a time for some reason. They could have easily worked around that question with power utilisation for time travel being a factor and to send a single machine back would take months of building power levels up.
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no, that was entirely explained by Kyle in the first film. the time travel was a last resort using untested/proven equipment, Skynet could only sent one T800 back before the humans broke in and took over, then destroyed the equipment after sending KR though. it's what made the first film logical and all sequels nonsensical.
 
Gerard said:
hmm So Cameron reckons having Arnold and Linda in the movie done damage to dark fate because of their ages.
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Yet it was Cameron specifically who requested/demanded and got both stars to come back for this film, as the director didn't want either originally - yet another reason to keep him as far away from his own franchise as possible for me!
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Not sure why anyone would listen to a word he says these days.
There were several other glaring issues that hurt the movie more than the ages of the returning actors.
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It was yet another T2 retread set in the present day being the main one, we had T2, then T3 then genisys all basically following the modern day gimmick with car chases, helicopters etc. It's like when they get approval for these movies they're for some reason trying to stay close to the T2 formula, only Salvation really tried something different but that again just felt too modern day vs the future war scenes shown in the flashbacks.

"Grace" was really unlikable in the movie as well as the protector, plus it came at a point where the "us Womenz do it better" thing had been stale for a while so promo images of 3 females in posters just had people rolling their eyes which really didn't help matters.
 
My brain has tried to purge most of the memories of that movie, but... The Terminator settled down with a wife and kids. :|
We don't really need to worry about any other part. That one alone is enough to make it a laughing stock. :D
 
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wolfie138 said:
no, that was entirely explained by Kyle in the first film. the time travel was a last resort using untested/proven equipment, Skynet could only sent one T800 back before the humans broke in and took over, then destroyed the equipment after sending KR though. it's what made the first film logical and all sequels nonsensical.
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Didn't the act of sending the first terminator back change the timeline though as it left behind the damaged arm/chip?
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
My brain has tried to purge most of the memories of that movie, but... The Terminator settled down with a wife and kids. :|
We don't really need to worry about any other part. That one alone is enough to make it a laughing stock. :D
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Well if you take the learning cpu thing into consideration it does sort of work its way into being something that was seen before in T2. It's mission had been completed and it was made useless because of that, it started to learn and became a protector for a woman and her kid, and over the years became more human in a sense. It comes off as cheesy but it is something that was touched on in T2 so its not unprecedented. It's just we never seen what long term exposure over many years would do to something that's learning to be more human, in T2 it was learning in a matter of hours so in years it could well become "Carl".

It's plausible, just handled very sloppily in DF with the dumb jokes etc that Arnie seems to want to shoehorn into movies these days.

As far as a new movie goes, for me they could basically dovetail off the end of T3 which sets the events for the takeover of skynet in motion, the nukes have been launched etc, an actual future war movie could be set like 20 years after judgement day in T3 bypassing the failures of salvation, genisys and dark fate rather than taking T2 as a starting point for a new movie, T3 is the starting point which cleans up continuity to some extent as well.
 
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Joxeon said:
Didn't the act of sending the first terminator back change the timeline though as it left behind the damaged arm/chip?
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not as far as i'm aware, it was just supposed to be a self-fulfilling time-loop thing; Terminators wouldn't have been created if one wasn't send back to Cyberfyne to fine, JC wouldn't have been born if he hadn't send KR back, etc etc.
 
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Gerard said:
Well if you take the learning cpu thing into consideration it does sort of work its way into being something that was seen before in T2. It's mission had been completed and it was made useless because of that, it started to learn and became a protector for a woman and her kid, and over the years became more human in a sense. It comes off as cheesy but it is something that was touched on in T2 so its not unprecedented. It's just we never seen what long term exposure over many years would do to something that's learning to be more human, in T2 it was learning in a matter of hours so in years it could well become "Carl".
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I get stuck with this - I fully understand that the CPU, being a Neural Net Processor (and as shown in the Directors Cut of T2) is a learning CPU, only as specifically mentioned in the Directors Cut it is shown that whilst it "can" Learn, it is effectively set to "Read Only" by Skynet, with a whole scene dedicated to why this was important and why the Terminator in T2 needed its CPU setting changing for it to fully understand human emotions by the end.

Then there's some odd Dark Fate choices in the story - once it's mission was complete "why" did it shack up with a human instead of hiding away to evade capture and prevent accidental human discovery of a terminator? I mean why did it continue to do anything at all as it's now completed its mission and has no purpose so what programming was it following which allowed it to settle down, help Sarah kill other Terminators etc - just so many questions which will remain unanswered because the script was written by someone who didn't care about the franchise enough to come up with a plausible story which didn't leave these daft problems.
 
ianh said:
I get stuck with this - I fully understand that the CPU, being a Neural Net Processor (and as shown in the Directors Cut of T2) is a learning CPU, only as specifically mentioned in the Directors Cut it is shown that whilst it "can" Learn, it is effectively set to "Read Only" by Skynet, with a whole scene dedicated to why this was important and why the Terminator in T2 needed its CPU setting changing for it to fully understand human emotions by the end.
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In both versions of the movie the end result was the same, in the theatrical release iirc the cpu is never mentioned as being set to read only, only that its a learning computer and the more exposure it had to humans the more it learns so no switch gimmicky necessary, the read only thing seemed to be something they came up with to do that elaborate scene which ended up getting cut
 
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