Terror Plot Foiled

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:02

mightynimrod said:
How the hell did China come into the terror threat in this country.

At the time, China (with the 3rd largest stockpile of nuclaer warheads in the world) probably posed as much of a threat to Britain as Iraq did with it's stockpile of super advanced invisible chemical warheads and disappearing biochemical weapons.

Al Vallario · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:04

VIRII said:
I can't sleep. My wife is due to give birth and contractions seemed to start at 11ish this morning.

Congratulations and good luck, VIRII

Imagine telling your kid(s?) about this thread in ten years time

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:05

Sumanji said:
"It's right next that stock pile of chemical weapons over ther-... oops"

Iraq did have chemical weapons, it even used them on its own people. The mass murder was filmed by Iranians of what is thought to be a hydrogen cyanide bomb.
Everyone in the village died, mothers holding babies in their arms, old men, everyone.
I've seen the video, it was part of our CBRN fun day at Porton.

What we don't know is where the weapons went, but he certainly had them at one time. He may have complied and destroyed them all or he may have buried them or he may have shipped them out to Syria.

However there is no doubt whatsoever that at some point he did have and did use significant chemical capability.

mightynimrod · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:06

Ok, where has this stemmed from though? Why did they want to attack us?
(Not being sarcastic, I actually want to know )

They hate the western way of life and want an Islamic world (i'm talking extremists here) i.e The Taliban in Afghanistan, they killed/maimed their own people for even watching t.v.

Proof?

"It's right next that stock pile of chemical weapons over ther-... oops"

Did you not watch the news post-9-11?

Omar Sharif (failed suicide bomber from Derby) reportedly travelled to one prior to him trying to blow himself up.

Are you saying they don't exsist????

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:07

Sumanji said:
Totally right. We should only sort out countries that America tell us to. That way we don't have to worry our pretty little heads about the reason, just send the troops in!

But as you pointed out the US did not tell us to sort Argentina or 'Nam .....

Jet · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:07

Sumanji said:
So what are we and America some sort of world police force now?

Well newsflash, horrible human rights violations in China and North Korea, better go overthrow their dictator!

Oh crap wait, they have nukes and an army about 10 times the size of ours and the USA's put together... best stay at home and put the kettle on eh

Ourselves and America needn't be the world's police force if other countries cared about people other than themselves. Until that happens I bet there are millions of people in many countries that are happy America and the UK have taken on that job.

Correct, there are human rights violations in China and North Korea but it is not strategically or realistically possible to attack those countries and help at all. More people would be killed in the wars. Not, however, the case with Iraq and Afghanistan.

So what exatcly is your point?

That we only help countries where there is a realistic possibility of helping the situation without needless loss of life and which are strategically possible?

Well duh...

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:08

VIRII said:
What we don't know is where the weapons went, but he certainly had them at one time.

Well then it's rather disconcerting that the two most powerful nations in the world can't figure out where they are now isn't it?

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:09

mightynimrod said:
Premature congrats mate

Off topic i know but what the hell !

I vowed never to go through it again, i went through hell when the missus was giving birth.....she had drugs

Hehe this is daughter number 2

Sadly pregnancy 4 and only child 2 but that is the way life goes. This pregnancy has gone really well.

I am dead excited but really tired too. As for the drugs ... I love gas and air lol.

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:10

Sumanji said:
Well then it's rather disconcerting that the two most powerful nations in the world can't figure out where they are now isn't it?

Not really. The desert is a big place and we can't just march into syria.
What is important is he can't use them now.

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:10

mightynimrod said:
Are you saying they don't exsist????

No my bad, I just wanted an opening to slip my chemical weapons joke in

I'm sure they do exist, but the extent to which the Afghan and Iraqi governments were involved in their running and organisation is questionalble at best.

mightynimrod · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:10

Sumanji said:
At the time, China (with the 3rd largest stockpile of nuclaer warheads in the world) probably posed as much of a threat to Britain as Iraq did with it's stockpile of super advanced invisible chemical warheads and disappearing biochemical weapons.

And what have they done to strike terror to the western world?

Russia has a decent stockpile too but we don't fear them, as we don't fear China - they have done nothing to warrant any sort of fear.

The chemicals in Iraq were there as VIRII stated.

Madness Hussain and his tyrannical regime used them on the Kurds, again as VIRII stated.

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:11

VIRII said:
But as you pointed out the US did not tell us to sort Argentina or 'Nam .....

Right, so why all of a sudden are we now America's lap dog? I find it rather insulting that a foreign power (be it American or any other) has a say in how and when the armed forces of my country are deployed.

Sleepy · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:12

VIRII said:
Did you? In 25 years of IRA attacks the total number killed by the IRA is less than half of those killed in one day by the 9/11 planes.

But the fear is still the same. Which is the means by which terrorists seek to change their victims. Yes the methods employed nowadays kill more people in a single attack, but those attacks happen very infrequently. TBH I think the IRA tactic of repeated attacks engendered a greater sense of fear than these huge infrequent events beloved of the modern suicide bomber.

Don't forget the disruption specific attacks had, such as the bombs on the M1, Manchest city centre , canary wharf.

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:12

Sumanji said:
Now you're painting out to be some sort of anti-semite do I know you in RL and you secretly hate me or something?

LOL. Not at all, I find you a good sport actually. But if you look carefully out of your downstairs window, just to the left you'll find I am stalking you.

Sumanji said:
On a lighter note, pre-emptive congrats bet you're well excitied!

Thankyou

Yes excited, tired, nervous and really keen to meet my new daughter.

mightynimrod · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:13

VIRII said:
Hehe this is daughter number 2
Sadly pregnancy 4 and only child 2 but that is the way life goes. This pregnancy has gone really well.

I am dead excited but really tired too. As for the drugs ... I love gas and air lol.

I thought you might be having a baby blue tree this year -oh well, pink it is

You wouldn't like my gas and air at the moment....damn im more of a threat to national security at the moment....phaaaaaarp......GAS MASKS EVERYONE!

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:15

Sumanji said:
Right, so why all of a sudden are we now America's lap dog? I find it rather insulting that a foreign power (be it American or any other) has a say in how and when the armed forces of my country are deployed.

Because sadly people voted Blair in

That said exactly how much influence they have over us and vice versa remains to be seen. The media certainly seem to give the impression that we're at Bush beck and call but maybe Blairs just very subtle at manipulating bush.

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:15

Jet said:
I bet there are millions of people in many countries that are happy America and the UK have taken on that job.

Right, so why is Iraq edging towards civil war right now?

So what exatcly is your point?

That America only attack when there is something in it for them (the Bagdhad McDonald's is a firm testament to that), and the enemy is weak and fragmented. And that we only join in when they tell us to.

VIRII · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:16

Sleepy said:
But the fear is still the same. Which is the means by which terrorists seek to change their victims. Yes the methods employed nowadays kill more people in a single attack, but those attacks happen very infrequently. TBH I think the IRA tactic of repeated attacks engendered a greater sense of fear than these huge infrequent events beloved of the modern suicide bomber.

Don't forget the disruption specific attacks had, such as the bombs on the M1, Manchest city centre , canary wharf.

I don't think I agree. It might be that it is simply because the IRA threat has gone now but there is something about the suicide bombing of tube trains that seems more frightening than the IRA ever were.

Biohazard · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:17

I think that Britain has very little influence over the whitehouse tbh

Sumanji · 11 Aug 2006 at 00:17

VIRII said:
Not really. The desert is a big place and we can't just march into syria. What is important is he can't use them now.

So we can get intricate and detailed information about a bunch of trampy terrorists in caves, but we can't track allegedly thousands of tons of chemical making equipment and supplies... again, very disconcerting.