Test drove an M3 today

The M3 was definately at the 'sensible' end of the cars I considered at the time, in that:

* It has proper back seats
* Supported by a proper dealer and service network
* German engineering not British
* Service intervals are not too bad
* You can park it in a public car park / on the street and not be too worried about leaving it there or it being stolen for its rariety value.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Hi guys, looking at getting something sensible. What do you make of the Toyota Supra Twin Turbo with 700bhp?
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Tad extreme don't you think?

The M3 is hardly a supercar, even if you wish it to be. It's a fast, good handling, 4 door, saloon car. With a decent boot, rear in the room for others / kids. So in terms of practicality, it's very practical from day to day.
 
hilly said:
Tad extreme don't you think?

The M3 is hardly a supercar, even if you wish it to be. It's a fast, good handling, 4 door, saloon car. With a decent boot, rear in the room for others / kids. So in terms of practicality, it's very practical from day to day.
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its a 2dr coupe, and its as practical or as impractical as any other 2 door 2+2 for some people they are fine for others they arent.

i can understand how coming from a 111r it seemed sanitised but thats not a fair comparison, in the same way it would seem like the fastest, rawest car on earth if you have been driving a 1.4 ltre toyota
 
Get a Noble... you know you want to :D

**** German engineering, British is still the best for exciting performance cars.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Hi guys, looking at getting something sensible. What do you make of the Toyota Supra Twin Turbo with 700bhp?
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Not sure, I think the washer fluid is difficult to fill up. And the boot is difficult to get a pram into
 
Cyrus said:
its a 2dr coupe, and its as practical or as impractical as any other 2 door 2+2 for some people they are fine for others they arent.

i can understand how coming from a 111r it seemed sanitised but thats not a fair comparison, in the same way it would seem like the fastest, rawest car on earth if you have been driving a 1.4 ltre toyota
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As a second car to be used for fun and M3 is a bit sensible compared to what else is out there.
 
hilly said:
The M3 is hardly a supercar, even if you wish it to be.
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Where does this 'Even if you wish it to be' thing keep popping up from? I don't own an M3, and won't ever own an M3.

It's a fast, good handling, 4 door, saloon car. With a decent boot, rear in the room for others / kids. So in terms of practicality, it's very practical from day to day.
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It's not a 4 door saloon car at all, it's a 2+2 Coupe.
 
I would say any car that has performance pedigree and makes you want to put your foot down often and test the cars limits, is not a sensible car

Therefore the M3 in vanilla or CSL form is not a sensible car :)
 
Ah yes, of course, I adore every BMW ever I suppose, just as I apparently had a love for all Fords when I had a Mondeo if this forum is to be believed.

I'm off to finance a 1 Series now, bye!

edit: I could have sworn hilly had just posted.
 
Guys!

I don't know whats going on but I don't expect to see other DON's having to moderate threads in the motors forum.

To put it simply this is not acceptable behavior, having a laugh is fine, but do not pass the mark.

To me an M3 is a sensible sports car. However its not a sensible all rounder like an everyday car such as a 320D Saloon. Also Fox making comments that a 700BHP Supra is sensible is going to get you a lot of flak and by making such post is like throwing fuel on the bonfire. I know you did it out of sarcasm thats obvious but still theres no need for such behavior and the end result is you get peoples backs up and what started as a good thread is ruined by immature behavior.

A lot of you need to step back, take a deep breath and calm down, its only a forum, not like its life or death.
 
Gibbo said:
Also Fox making comments that a 700BHP Supra is sensible is going to get you a lot of flak and by making such post is like throwing fuel on the bonfire. I know you did it out of sarcasm thats obvious but still theres no need for such behavior and the end result is you get peoples backs up and what started as a good thread is ruined by immature behavior.
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I know but.. it was there to illustrate a point, the point being that there is more to whether a car is sensible than whether it has 5 seats and a spacious boot. I don't think you'd consider your Mustang or your CSL sensible, yet according to some in here, they are sensible cars purely by virtue of the fact they had a boot and 5 seats. I didn't intend it to get peoples backs up :(

It would seem that for some here, the Elise is the be all and end all of motoring, and anything that doesnt have a metal floor and windup windows is 'sensible'..
 
Let's face it, the M3 is a car that you can use everyday, even if you have a young family. If you're after a performance car but want something that has rear seats, is safe, modern, backed up by a good reputation for reliability and so forth, the M3 is a sensible choice.

A 2 seater is not sensible, a particularly low or difficult to access car is not sensible, a loud fire breathing monster with little or no drivers aids or protection is not a sensible choice.

There are lots of reasons that something can be called sensible and in this thread we are obviously talking about cars with a high performance basis. In this instance the M3 is sensible, like the Jag S-Type R, M5, E55AMG or whatever could also be described as "sensible" performance cars. You can take your family out for the day in any of them. You probably wouldn't want to in a Cerbera and you wouldn't fit them in a Lotus.

And before anybody says anything, I have no idea if eidolon has kids or anything. I am simply assuming that this is the sort of practicality that he is refering to when he calls the M3 a sensible car.

If he was talking about cars in general then obviously there are other cars that would suit the sensible tag much better, but when the field of reference is reduced to only include performance cars, then the M3 is one of the sensible choices.
 
[TW]Fox said:
It would seem that for some here, the Elise is the be all and end all of motoring, and anything that doesnt have a metal floor and windup windows is 'sensible'..
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I don't think Eidolon said that really. He just implied that the M3 isn't quite raw enough for his tastes and that he would continue his search in the direction of TVR (a bad idea IMO though).

Everyone has different points of view and, Eidolon, coming from an Elise, obviously has quite an "extreme" view of what a car should be like compared to most other people - even fellow petrol heads who've had their fair share of performance cars.

He hasn't specified his budget so the precedent for this thread was almost set from the beginning. Just random ramblings and people posting their other recommended dream cars etc...

I'm thinking he should hold out until next year and see what the Lotus 2+2 shapes up to be.
 
Nice to see this forum is still full of people wishing to debate a subjective matter until they are blue in the face. One persons fast is another persons slow, one persons big is another persons small, one persons expensive is another persons cheap and one persons practical is another persons impractical. How can you possibly hope to define something that is so subjective and personal? No one can possibly win this debate, its down to ones own personal perspective, no matter how you try to define it.
 
NathanE said:
I don't think Eidolon said that really. He just implied that the M3 isn't quite raw enough for his tastes and that he would continue his search in the direction of TVR (a bad idea IMO though).
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Had he said that I'd have respected his opinion, as thats quite possibly very true. However it is not what he said. He said:

I'm just not ready for something so sensible quite yet
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To me, and I'm prepared to admit I could have interpreted it wrong, that says the M3 is sensible in absolute terms - he didnt say 'something more sensible', he said something 'SO' sensible.

I've just noticed all he did was drive it through town and then up the Motorway. Awesome. Gonna test drive an Elise around Tesco's carpark later and post my findings about how annoying it was :p
 
Could you perhaps forgive him for possibly using not entirely accurate words for what he was trying to describe? This is the Internet afterall and it's also not hard to imagine that mistake could happen considering he is just testing the waters to see if there is anything out there that he would like to buy.

It would only take me a few minutes to determine the rawness of a car. Some low speed and then some motorway speed seems ideal.
 
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