Test drove an M3 today

NathanE said:
It would only take me a few minutes to determine the rawness of a car. Some low speed and then some motorway speed seems ideal.
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I'd agree. The difference between the Grif/Chim was noticable within the first few minutes of driving, let alone the differences between them and my current car.
 
housemaster said:
Nice to see this forum is still full of people wishing to debate a subjective matter until they are blue in the face. One persons fast is another persons slow, one persons big is another persons small, one persons expensive is another persons cheap and one persons practical is another persons impractical. How can you possibly hope to define something that is so subjective and personal? No one can possibly win this debate, its down to ones own personal perspective, no matter how you try to define it.
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Yep problem is Fox always tries to change peoples opinions and of course people then comment back. I don't think he has the ability to do it in real life so saves it all up for the keyboard :p
 
How on earth can such an argument start from a friendly thread about someone giving their views of a test drive they had?

Oh..hi fox! ;)


other than that its been interesting reading :D
 
Simon said:
Yep problem is Fox always tries to change peoples opinions and of course people then comment back.
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Nothing wrong with that, one day, I'll convince him the 7 series is just his car on steroids! :D

The biggest problem here is people forget that others members posts are only their given opinion, nowhere are we forced by gunpoint to agree / disagree are we?
 
Nice to see that the last page and a half of posts have been on topic.

Ref the OP, good feedback on the M3. Have to say that I understand where you're coming from. It's interesting that the new M3 is apparently even more "civilised", and based upon comments in CAR, it's because of pandering to the US market (where 50% of sales occur) whilst also giving more room for a forthcoming CSL.
 
Gibbo said:
To put it simply this is not acceptable behavior, having a laugh is fine, but do not pass the mark.
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Man, this is the main reason I come here, for the lively and comical discussion on cars! I don't think anyone over stepped the line here.
 
willd58 said:
Man, this is the main reason I come here, for the lively and comical discussion on cars! I don't think anyone over stepped the line here.
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I think posts got deleted, as demonstrated by Fox's apparent confusion:

"edit: I could have sworn hilly had just posted."
 
willd58 said:
Man, this is the main reason I come here, for the lively and comical discussion on cars! I don't think anyone over stepped the line here.
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HI there

When moderators have to step in to moderate peoples post, then yes it is overstepping the mark. I am sure the DON's who did the moderating and post deletions would agree.

We can all have a laugh and it is fun, but it should not overstep the mark where it borders on personal insults to other members or blatant mick taking.
 
What a stupid thread.

Getting in to an M3 from an elise would make anybody feel more like it was the more sensible car.

Some people really need to get some real life experience and stop battering the keyboard. It's fatiguing.
 
[TW]Fox said:
I know but.. it was there to illustrate a point, the point being that there is more to whether a car is sensible than whether it has 5 seats and a spacious boot. I don't think you'd consider your Mustang or your CSL sensible, yet according to some in here, they are sensible cars purely by virtue of the fact they had a boot and 5 seats. I didn't intend it to get peoples backs up :(

It would seem that for some here, the Elise is the be all and end all of motoring, and anything that doesnt have a metal floor and windup windows is 'sensible'..
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i think you need to look at the cars involved... the guys looking at TVRs after going for test ride in a BMW...

i'd be inclined to agree that an M3 is a LOT more sensible than a TVR of any flavour, simply because it's a friendlier place to be in other than the brutal engine. The TVR is raw and lacks refinement whereas the M3 oozed refinement and hence is more of a daily driver than the TVR will. An M3 'could' be a family car with 4 doors and 5 seats whereas a TVR has no hope. Same goes for the 111R and the S2000.
 
Simon said:
I don't think he has the ability to do it in real life so saves it all up for the keyboard :p
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The most car-interested RL mate I have drives... a Toyota Corolla 1.3 GL.

Sucks to be me :(

<3 ocuk :p
 
I spent a time with an M3 Convertible recently, 56 plate.

Now baring in mind I'm used to Clio 182/Megane 225 type cars, I came away feeling that it wasn't quite what I was expecting.

First of all I thought the interior quality was poor, plasic and rattly. Perhaps this was a bad example or is this familiar to you M3 drivers out there? Anyway, that was an immediate downer.

Next the ride I thought was unnecessarily harsh. My Clio Trophy (with a Sachs external reservoir etc) whilst firm, had great damping. I found the M3 uncomfortable. Perhaps this was more to do with it having no roof and extra rigidity?

Performance was definitely fast and I'd agree with everyone here, I was doing a ton before I knew it! Great, unique sound from the engine/exhaust too. Sensation of speed however, seemed to be lacking. Could be down to me being used to a turbo, though.

I'd love to try a CSL.
 
divine_madness said:
I think posts got deleted, as demonstrated by Fox's apparent confusion:

"edit: I could have sworn hilly had just posted."
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Yes a post of mine (not sure about any others) was deleted. It wasn't aimed as a personal attack but I could see how that would be percieved as such and for that I apologise.

I still though, for the record, think the M3 can be viewed as a senisible car, suitable for families. Similar to the S-Max (although the S-Max is a lot more practical) it appeals to the petrol headed fathers by sticking the same engine as the Focus ST's in there.
 
volospian said:
Oh I don't know. You'd become 100% awake as soon as you sleepily dumped the clutch and slammed into the nearest stationary object :D
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i LOVE the way you look at things, lol.
volospian said:
Another thing about the chim/griff comparrison. The Chim supposedly had a sports exhaust on it, and to be fair it did sound nice, but at speed it was still relatively refined. I managed to speak to the dealer about various topics as I drove without ever asking "Eh?" or "yoowot?".

The Griff had its standard exhaust on, which at idle was quieter than the chim (my mate was standing behind the car as I maneuvered the car off the forecourt and told me when I got back that he could hear the tappets were a bit rattley, so it can't be that loud), but as soon as you revved the car it roared, spat, snarled and howled like a big cat with a cactus up its bum.
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yes yes and yes.
a car so loud i actually laughed out loud the first few times i drove it.
volospian said:
When you add in the fact that the seats were either knackered or just rubbish (felt like the diaphram had gone and I was just sitting on foam on the floor) and my wife has a colapsed disc in her spine, plus the noise and brutality of the car, I doubt she'd ever be prepared to get into it, let alone drive it, it's just (sadly) not feasible as an everydayer.
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i think the seats are just plain bad.
brutality is an excellent choice of word by the way.
volospian said:
but you need arms like popeye and legs like... well, popeyes arms, I suppose, to move the damn thing around at low speeds.
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i hadn't realised we've already met, lol.
 
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