TF2 - Scores represent time rather than skill...

ChrisJSY · 18 Oct 2007 at 09:50

NeilFawcett said:
The suicide pyro does just as well score wise,

Ah, now that's where you hit a bump in the road.
Suicide pyro doing JUST as good?
Insinutating that they get lots of kills but keep dyingm therfore not a good player, because that's the whole point in your thread?

Well, my 30kill streak as a pyro definatly wasn't a kamikaze run

Hit & Run tactics!

platypus · 18 Oct 2007 at 10:32

NeilFawcett said:
As for endorsing team play, that's another matter. It's odd, some of the gameplay really helps, medics and eng especially. But what's very odd is the communication I've seen so far for TF2 is terrible (say compared to TFC). It's VERY rare to see anyone mention the location of intel they've dropped, or where an enemy SG is so their team mates don't run head on into it... For such a team minded game, it's odd how unteamy the communication seems to be from the people playing it? (From what I've witnessed)

You're playing on the wrong servers then. Admittedly, I play on a select few, but the teamwork is always good.

As for scores, I don't really care about them, the MVP at the end of around is useful, but again the problem there is it doesn't show good play from the losing team.

LabR@t · 18 Oct 2007 at 12:36

play for fun why do scores even matter? epenis?

NeilF · 18 Oct 2007 at 12:48

LabR@t said:
play for fun why do scores even matter? epenis?

Ahh... Maybe TF2 should be converted so all classes run around with feather dusters and just tickle each other? :rolleyes:

No levels or rounds, no winners or losers, no points, just feather dusters... Just bucket loads of fun... Sounds fabbo

NeilF · 18 Oct 2007 at 13:08

platypus said:
You're playing on the wrong servers then. Admittedly, I play on a select few, but the teamwork is always good.

As for scores, I don't really care about them, the MVP at the end of around is useful, but again the problem there is it doesn't show good play from the losing team.

When you find some good team players it is good. I once came across a medic (no, not like in that film!!!) and he really understood how to use the uber charge properly... Too often you see medics just wasting them, rather than making a big difference with them...

Returning to scores again... I don't see why they go to lengths of all the superficial stuff like 'Dominated' and 'Revenge' which are almost random, and not just show the values I've suggested on TAB?

DJammyRasta · 18 Oct 2007 at 13:30

heh yeah it depends what server your playing on as to if people will actually play as a team... one time i played where pretty much everyone on the team was talking over coms which was awesome.. but again quite often nobody says anything, doesn't play as a team and goes around randomly.... clans matches are the way forward

public servers are for killing n00bs

ps. 30 kills as a pyro huh thats impressive... im more the run in maybe get 2 kills and go down in a blaze of glory pyro player

NeilF · 18 Oct 2007 at 13:38

DJammyRasta said:
heh yeah it depends what server your playing on as to if people will actually play as a team... one time i played where pretty much everyone on the team was talking over coms which was awesome.. but again quite often nobody says anything, doesn't play as a team and goes around randomly.... clans matches are the way forward public servers are for killing n00bs

ps. 30 kills as a pyro huh thats impressive... im more the run in maybe get 2 kills and go down in a blaze of glory pyro player

With the various servers I've seen so far for TF2, the level of communication is terrible. It's rare to see anyone helping team mates with some simple text/dialog. Very odd, as with TFC it's almost the opposite...

Vanishing Point · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:16

One problem might be that the voice chat is global not team specific. If you talk both teams know what you say. Typing is difficult in many situatins due to the fast paced nature of the game.

Zogger · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:16

It tends to be better when a big group of ocuk people are on the ocuk servers, like when the beta was running. The last couple of nights that I've played server 1 seems to be filled with random people just choosing sniper / spy and not even paying attention to anyone else's choice of class, and not communicating. Personally I don't use a mic but I have quite a few binds set up and always say where the intel is if I drop it / find it (since the arrows aren't much use). My most use binds are probably 'spy' and 'behind you.' Also have stuff like 'pyro incoming', 'train incoming', 'fall back' etc

are you sure voice chat is global?

platypus · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:35

Zogger said:
are you sure voice chat is global?

No, it's only global if set to be so in the server cvars. For some reason, quite a lot of publics do this - maybe its the default setting and turning on team talk only needs to be set up.

NutritioN · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:36

Zogger said:
are you sure voice chat is global?

Would like to know this for sure. Only used my mic once, and thought maybe the other team could hear but carried on anyway. Didn't try to ask the opposition a few questions.

platypus · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:38

No, it's not global unless setup that way in the server configuration.

Vanishing Point · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:45

How can you tell which way then? In Beta it was always global and since then I always treated it that way.

platypus · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:45

I guess you can tell if you start hearing opponents talk, or if they answer "rush incoming!" when you say "rush left!".

Vanishing Point · 18 Oct 2007 at 14:47

Need to be a better way than that. Some teams I have played against are using seperate chat or team talk so you would never know. The uncertainty is probably why people don't use it.

Zogger · 18 Oct 2007 at 15:03

If it's a cvar then you can type it in the console to see what the value is. Dunno what cvar it might be though

Zogger · 18 Oct 2007 at 15:06

Found it:
sv_alltalk 0
// toggles whether both teams can hear each others voice comms or not. 0 is off 1 is on. recommend it being off

from http://www.inx-forums.com/setting-up-dedicated-t4645/index.html

Just type sv_alltalk in the console and it should tell you which it is set to

Durzel · 18 Oct 2007 at 15:11

PariaH said:
Luckily i dont need a k/d ratio or a scoreboard to tell me whether i played a good round or not :/

Or whether you had fun.

This and the fact friendlyfire has been removed from the game is further proof that it's not meant for score-hungry eSports pro-gamer mercs. It's fun for all the family!

Streeteh · 18 Oct 2007 at 15:35

I don't care about my own score, what matters is the team score. Online gaming would be a better place if everyone felt the same.

mrbios · 18 Oct 2007 at 16:16

well it is called TEAM fortress for a reason

played a match on it last night and its 10x better than any css match ive ever played in (and ive played agaisnt a lot of high quality teams in a fair few competitions)

the less you worry about scores the more you enjoy the game