Thank god someone with some sense has come up with an answer to knife crime

sideways14a said:
If we didnt have such hefty gun control here we wouldnt have this knife problem - the Yanks are right.
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Unfortunately, they're not - Yanks frequently cite the Tueller Drill and similar exercises, wherein a knife beats a gun from 21 feet. IIRC, Mythbusters semi-busted this but only just and with several modifications.

However, even if it were true - This is the UK. Guns would cost SO much that all these black gangs from poor deprived urban areas would just go get knives anyway... :)
 
so they make knives blunt and all the stabbings turn to vicious slashings leaving people disfigured.

apart from the few enterprising individuals who either sharpened the points of their knives, or switched to blunt force weapons, or, y'know, just gone to b&q and bought a hatchet.

it's easy to ban things like firearms, because they're not directly useful to modern life (at least insofar as it is perfectly possible to live your entire life and never handle let alone shoot a gun), but given that literally everyone who runs a home in the uk has a knife of some description that's not exactly going to work out.

i can get the sentiment, but it's not going to work. the knife is a tool that has existed for as long as there have been humans to make them.
 
To me it seems so brainless to suggest such an idea, you can imagine the sorts of conversations we'd be having a few years down the line after enacting this crap idea;

"Due to the number of hammer attacks, we think it would be beneficial to society to make hammers out of soft rubber, this would reduce the number of deaths caused by blunt force trauma"

"Due to the number of deaths from acid, we think it would be beneficial to society to ban all forms of corrosive acid and replace them with non-corrosive acid, this would reduce the number of deaths"

"Due to the number of deaths from just about any household object you can throw, sharpen, bash, bludgeon, maim and kill, we think it would be beneficial to society to ban all household objects, this would reduce the number of deaths"

So on and so forth, ad infinitum.


The thing that stresses me out so much about these berks who come up with such stupid ideas, is that they're so out of touch with the people they're supposed to be dealing with.

Imagine the scenario - as a gang member I go to the shop to buy a knife, to find they've all been rendered useless for stabbing, in the mind of this judge - at this point I'm going to stop and go "OH DAMN, all the knives are blunt, I'd best go to the Job Centre and sort my life out"

No. I'm going to either just make my own knife, or use a hammer, or a piece of plastic I've carved down to a spike, or anything I can get my hands on to use as a weapon... I might just speak to someone who can get me an illegal zombie knife, there's a million other ways for me to easily solve the problem, I'm already breaking the law - so I don't care....

Stupidity x100000
 
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Screeeech said:
They need to address cultural and societal problems before the "just ban stuff" mentality comes into play. A good start would be to address the obsession of extreme violence and gang culture by young black teenage boys. Also good - would be a method of having programs or services that can provide them with interesting and fun things to do that give them a sense of self worth, before they get sucked into hell.

I'm talking about things like summer camps, work experience programs, sports programs, educational stuff, I'm sure other people could come up with other ideas. The general idea would be to distract these kids from being sucked into violence, during that very vulnerable period of their lives (age 13-18) when they seem to go off the rails, we need to provide alternatives that are better than things like this;
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This. Unfortunately it's far cheaper and easier to pass a piece of legislation saying "X is banned" than it is to put the investment into providing youth/activity centres and paying people to run them. Things could be arranged locally, but most people either don't have the time to volunteer, or simply can't be bothered.
 
Here's a list of things that cannot be turned into a weapon

Grass
Leaves
Water (unless it's a large enough volume to submerge a person or frozen)
Soil (unless it's a frozen block)
Small creatures that lack the ability to be trained to peck/nibble a person to death
Oxygen/Air

Things that CAN be turned into a weapon

Everything else
 
Minusorange said:
Here's a list of things that cannot be turned into a weapon

Grass
Leaves
Water (unless it's a large enough volume to submerge a person or frozen)
Soil (unless it's a frozen block)
Small creatures that lack the ability to be trained to peck/nibble a person to death
Oxygen/Air

Things that CAN be turned into a weapon

Everything else
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grass- smother someone with it
leaves- smother someone with it
soil- if it's wet you can drown them, if it's dry you can smack their head off the ground hard enough to do the job
small creatures- can be weaponised by adding the infectious disease of your choice
oxygen- oxygen poisoning is a real thing, and if you inject compressed air into someone it can do a lot of nasty things

anything is a weapon in the right circumstances if you're trying hard enough.
 
Sounds like the judge is pretty ignorant of food preparation if he thinks that a long or pointed knife is only needed by butchers. Does he just eat readymeals?
 
Easier to carry a rounded knife, pointy knife might cut through your pocket :p

Anyway I thought the rise of acid attacks was down to stricter sentences on carrying knives. So whatever you change / ban they'll just use something else.

Need to figure out why they are so screwed up in the head to think that stabbing someone is acceptable, do they think it's a sodding paper cut or something
 
I make knives part time and the retarded proposals to legislate in an effort to tackle the problem are all farcical.
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There is never a shortage of things that amuse me about this country these days. It's turning into its own meme.

Just bans all knives at this point.
 
Another brilliant example of institutional racism in action. These arrogant judges think that these gang members can't even sharpen a rounded knife? Stupid old white codger.
 
LOL, just make sure we keep spoons under control

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-Woman-asked-ID-buying-teaspoons-Tesco.html

A shopper was asked for proof of age when she tried to buy a packet of teaspoons from a supermarket.

Emma Sheppard was forbidden to buy the cutlery unless she showed identification to a shop assistant at her local Tesco.

Till operators at the store in Evesham, Worcs, wouldn't sell the pack of five teaspoons on Monday night as part of their 'Think 25' scheme, which demands ID from people who look under 25 when buying certain goods.
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I suppose it might do something to make stabbing someone slightly less simple. Maybe. Possibly. Buying a knife you could stab someone with is a bit simpler than buying a knife you can't stab someone with and changing the shape of the tip. Although if you want to stab someone a sharpened screwdriver is probably a better choice than a kitchen knife anyway. Better penetration and no chance of cutting up your hand when it slides onto the blade because the knife doesn't have a hand guard of any kind.

Ace Modder said:
surely instead of a stab its a slash if they do that?
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A slash is probably less likely to be fatal than a stab.

Maybe this proposal might have a very small effect on actual(*) knife crime. Maybe. Possibly.



* i.e. attacks on people, not just possessing a knife.
 
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