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What is the best supplement to have only just got into lifting weights and looking at supplement sites its a mindfield, currently

5 foot 7
14 stone 3
26% body fat

going to be running/cycling/rowing and weight routine.

Basically want to lose my fat and put on more muscle that is hiding under the fat, I know this is possible but hard, what sort of diet should I be looking at, lean meats/protein?

So looking to add a shake into this and maybe some eggs.
Need to know quantities really, but review the last couple of pages for my general views if you want.

What's your weights routine?

In terms of supps, best to keep it as simple as possible at first and try to fix your diet.


But a good start is whey, as in this:
http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/impact_whey_protein

You can use discount code MP96516 for 5% off your first order.



Ah of course, I've had a read of the CKD before and it does say about having a cheat day at the weekend to replenish - must say, I shall be looking forward to that :p

How about this: http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/4049/50758009.png

Added in some bacon and cheese to the main meal, should make it a little more interesting whilst adding more fat/protein and not a lot of carbs. Bumps the cals up a load as well.

Not a clue on the nut front as I've never tried any so this part will take a bit of experimenting on my part, but I've gone for these for the time being?

Could still do with some more cals somewhere, can't really think of much else to add in.

Haha :D Should've done this a few weeks ago when I started on the 'diet' I'm on now!

Add in beans. Seriously, they're a great addition. You can do stir frys with no noodles but black beans, stews with beans and chicken thighs, chilli with no rice, etc. etc. It avoids you ending up without any energy too, win all round.

I'm not really sure. I think quite because i cant get my knee far over my toes at all. I dont have any problems with my left ankle just the dodgy one. It gives me a lot of trouble, cant run for long on it and some mornings its really stiff. Funky xrays though :p
I suspect that your knees are coming too far forward over your toes, which is very common. There shouldn't be much shear at all on the ankles when squatting, so if you can unrack the bar onto your back without pain you *should* be able to squat with it. Focus on sitting back and pushing your arse back, which will result in your torso being less vertical. Check out the way some powerlifters squat, their shins are almost vertical throughout.
 
Had an okay session at the Gym today:

Narrow-grip Pull-Ups - 10/6/4
Wide-grip Pull-Ups - 4/2

Bent Over Rows - 45kg x12, x10, x8

Tricep Pull Downs - Found out (after 1 year of doing it in my last Gym wrong!) from another Gym Member (who was very helpful) that my Form was wrong on the Tricep Pull Downs (Cable), so I dropped the weight, maintained a narrow stance and kept a straight back with my chest out; I also made sure that my elbows were in the same position throughout the full range of motion - I managed to do 12 reps @ 13.5kg, followed by 10 reps followed by 8 reps and for the first time I felt the burn!

I *used* to keep a slouched back and move my elbows too much, which is completely wrong and didn't isolate my Triceps.

I finished on a 11 minute run on a machine - 10 minutes @9km/h and a sprint finish at 13.5km/h which I maintained for a minute.

I also ate like a king when I got in - 1x Chicken&Pasta Bowl, 2x Salmon (shame about the bones) Oven chips, Baked Beans, Mixed veg and I'm contemplating whether or not I have the room for a tub of Cottage Cheese!
 
Need to know quantities really, but review the last couple of pages for my general views if you want.

What's your weights routine?

In terms of supps, best to keep it as simple as possible at first and try to fix your diet.


But a good start is whey, as in this:
http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/impact_whey_protein

You can use discount code MP96516 for 5% off your first order.

Quantity is pretty small, roughly have about 100grams of pasta, don't really eat big meals.

Weight routine is just working everything at the moment, only joined the gym last Thursday.

Is that a referral code, you get a discount?

Whats the best flavour?
 
You get a discount, I get some points :) Myprotein is good and cheap though so everyone wins.

There are a lot of good flavours, but tbh unflavoured is a good way to go as you get the flexibility to do whatever you want with it (also nesquik powder is cheap). If you want flavoured I've used
banana :(
choc mint :)
choc smooth :)

But I think I've heard good things about choc nut, cookies and cream... I'm sure people will offer some other recommendations.

What do you mean by "working everything"? Are you using machines or free weights, how many exercises, what reps and set etc. This might sound a little in depth to begin with but it will save you time in the long run to get it right.
 
The contents of this post will be overlooked by the vast majority in this thread, which I understand, but honestly this has enormous value for everyone.

Really consider doing some of the things advised, they will put you well on the way to being injury proof.

http://www.mobilitywod.com/

There are many other more general things you can do, but I'll leave it at that for now.
 
Quick question peeps,

I am 5' 10" Weighing 154Lbs - 70KG.

I have a program setup etc but am unsure how many calories to intake per day.

Normally I aim for around 2200. My Goal is to gain definition for the 15th May (6-7 week target). My body is already in average shape.

An average week would look like this: (on top of all this i would do a 15min Abs workout most days, split legs and ab workout over 2 GYM sessions as well)

Monday: 25 min cycle. Rest
Tuesday:25 min cycle. 1x 60min JuJitsu Session, 1x 60 min MMA session
Wednesday: 25 min cycle. Rest
Thursday: 25 min cycle, GYM (Chest/Shoulders/Tricep), 60 Mins casual football training.
Friday: GYM (Back/Bicep)
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: 90 Mins of Football (Poor standard, normally fairly casual)

So in a nutshell:

Potentially 6 hours of cardio, and 2x Max strength GYM sessions a week.

Suggestions & advice welcome!!

If you require more information please ask.
 
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As with Morba, I am also having problems with building my chest.

I have been stuck around 20kg dumbells now forever. When I used to train 2 years ago this is where I plateaued and it seems to be the same now. I assume I am lifting with my shoulders as I have had prety good growth and strength increases there.

Whatever I do I just don't seem to get any stronger. My diet is prety much spot on I think and my routines not too bad either. Chest / Tricep day is something like this.

DB bench
Tricep extensions
Incline DB bench
Tricep Pulldown
Cable flies/DB flies.
Close grip bench BB.
Dips with whatever energy I have left.


After doing either the DB bench or incline bench I feel knackered and can hardly press anything for the next excercise. I am thinking of just lowering the weight right down and focussing on form at the end of other days. Would this help? Does anyone have any really good video guides, I have watched a few but can't really tell if I am doing it correctly.

Also I have never been able to do a single pull up properly. Thinking about getting a powerbar for home so can just jump on it a few times a day.

All of my other lifts seem to be progessing quite well. Will try and update my gym thread! I posted some pics and never got another reply, maybe I'm uglier than I thought.
 
The contents of this post will be overlooked by the vast majority in this thread, which I understand, but honestly this has enormous value for everyone.

Really consider doing some of the things advised, they will put you well on the way to being injury proof.

http://www.mobilitywod.com/

There are many other more general things you can do, but I'll leave it at that for now.

Added to my Favourites :)
 
Quick question peeps,

I am 5' 10" Weighing 154Lbs - 70KG.

I have a program setup etc but am unsure how many calories to intake per day.

Normally I aim for around 2200. My Goal is to gain definition for the 15th May (6-7 week target). My body is already in average shape.

An average week would look like this: (on top of all this i would do a 15min Abs workout most days, split legs and ab workout over 2 GYM sessions as well)

Monday: 25 min cycle. Rest
Tuesday:25 min cycle. 1x 60min JuJitsu Session, 1x 60 min MMA session
Wednesday: 25 min cycle. Rest
Thursday: 25 min cycle, GYM (Chest/Shoulders/Tricep), 60 Mins casual football training.
Friday: GYM (Back/Bicep)
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: 90 Mins of Football (Poor standard, normally fairly casual)

So in a nutshell:

Potentially 6 hours of cardio, and 2x Max strength GYM sessions a week.

Suggestions & advice welcome!!

If you require more information please ask.

More info needed.

When you say your goal is definition, is this coming from being skinny or from carrying too much fat?

I don't understand your gym routine at all. When do you do your legs? Also, drop the ab exercises, they're almost totally pointless at this stage (they will not give you a six pack! Especially if you're just doing the standard ones). When you're in the gym doing your different body parts, what exactly are you doing? Which exercises, what weights, how many sets and reps? How long are you spending in the gym?

As with Morba, I am also having problems with building my chest.

I have been stuck around 20kg dumbells now forever. When I used to train 2 years ago this is where I plateaued and it seems to be the same now. I assume I am lifting with my shoulders as I have had prety good growth and strength increases there.

Whatever I do I just don't seem to get any stronger. My diet is prety much spot on I think and my routines not too bad either. Chest / Tricep day is something like this.

DB bench
Tricep extensions
Incline DB bench
Tricep Pulldown
Cable flies/DB flies.
Close grip bench BB.
Dips with whatever energy I have left.


After doing either the DB bench or incline bench I feel knackered and can hardly press anything for the next excercise. I am thinking of just lowering the weight right down and focussing on form at the end of other days. Would this help? Does anyone have any really good video guides, I have watched a few but can't really tell if I am doing it correctly.

Also I have never been able to do a single pull up properly. Thinking about getting a powerbar for home so can just jump on it a few times a day.

All of my other lifts seem to be progessing quite well. Will try and update my gym thread! I posted some pics and never got another reply, maybe I'm uglier than I thought.


I can assure you Morba isn't the member you're thinking of ;)

First of all, I doubt your diet is spot on. If you've plateaued it's probably one of the factors. When this happens, it's basically because you aren't recovering in between workouts. This is a combination of the amount of damage you do to your muscles in the gym, the quality and quantity of rest you get, your diet, your hormone levels and general health, and for how many weeks this effects builds up.

You routine isn't terrible but you have too many exercises going on; more is not always more, especially if your progress has stalled. I would pick three exercises max for your chest and then 1 at the end to isolate your triceps. There is a temptation to work harder when things slow down, but this isn't always the answer. Also, I'm going to speculate that 20kg isn't arbitrary for you. I'm guessing that you rushed your progression back up to that weight and that you've continued to hammer away at it relentlessly. What do your sets and reps look like?

What do your back and shoulder workouts look like? (if you don't do your legs properly too Morba will eat you)

In terms of immediate advice, you probably aren't going to like it much. Drop the weight to 10kg and increase it by the smallest increment possible week-on-week. It WILL feel light, and you will probably feel like you're wasting your time, but you won't be. During these lighter workouts focus on nice smooth, steady form with controlled negatives and powerful positive portions of the lift.

If you do this, and your diet is good, I can almost guarantee that you'll both grow and get stronger.

To get better at pullups just do a couple of sets of negatives (jump up to the bar and lower yourself slowly). This should help. You could also try strict wide grip pulldowns.



Just wandering off onto a brief tangent, I think this touches on one of the most common problems guys have in the gym: the inability to separate ego from training and to view strength and growth as different entities. This is why people get stuck just under a 100kg bench or whatever number might be important to them personally. If you're goal is to add size, then for goodness sake train that way and stop caring about lifting massive weights every session. Likewise if your goal is to get stronger, train for that! The irony here is that no goal should have you training maximally at the same weight every week.

That isn't a dig at you soundb0y, I think it's a problem innate to the way blokes think about things. I still have the thought at the back of my mind that I want to be on heavier weights, but I trust the system and it works. But the sooner people realise this, the sooner their progress will reach their potential.
 
to be fair my chest is a big weak point in terms of size. my size comes from my back more than my chest :D

I agree that you are possibly doing too much, especially if you are going to the point that after first couple of exercises you cant really carry on with pressing.

simplify your routine and concentrate on the form and feel of each rep, lowering the weight you are lifting can help for sure (was spotting a guy doing db bench last night, he was lifting the wrong weight and was unsteady and needing me more than himself to complete a few reps).

icecold is right in regards to the weight that you are lifting. Intensity is key, not the amount you are lifting :)


and yes, get those legs working :P
 
More info needed.

When you say your goal is definition, is this coming from being skinny or from carrying too much fat?

I don't understand your gym routine at all. When do you do your legs? Also, drop the ab exercises, they're almost totally pointless at this stage (they will not give you a six pack! Especially if you're just doing the standard ones). When you're in the gym doing your different body parts, what exactly are you doing? Which exercises, what weights, how many sets and reps? How long are you spending in the gym?

I am neither skinny nor carrying too much fat - I would like to sculpt / tone what I do have into more defined muscles. I would say at a push I would like to put on a small amount of muscle but its not a goal - toning what i have is my goal not building.

I did say that i would spread legs over the 2 GYM sessions i can do.. I plan to do Leg Extensions, Calf Raises & Lunges.

I had planned 2 routines.. they look like this:

1: Takes roughly 90mins

Bench Press 8x3
Dumbell Flys 8x3
Military Press 8x3
Lateral Dumbbell Raises 8x3
Dips 12x3
Leg Extensions 8x3
Calf Raises 8x3
Abs

2: Takes roughly 90mins

Deadlift 8x3
Chin Ups 6x4
Lateral Pull Down 8x3
Seated Row 8x3
Hammer Curls 8x3
Barbell Bicep Curl 8x3
Straight Bar Cable Curls 8x3
Lunges 8x3
Abs.
 
Little random fact for everyone I'm starting to see a feint outline of the outer part of my abs when tensed :D
 
Ok, some problems...
I am neither skinny nor carrying too much fat - I would like to sculpt / tone what I do have into more defined muscles. I would say at a push I would like to put on a small amount of muscle but its not a goal - toning what i have is my goal not building.
*cries*

"Toning", in the way you've described it, doesn't exist. You can not "shape" muscle, only get it bigger or smaller. What you have is excess bodyfat, which you can also not shape. At a guess, you want a moderately muscular physique with low-ish bodyfat.

For this you'll need to drop some bodyfat and gain some muscle!

I did say that i would spread legs over the 2 GYM sessions i can do.. I plan to do Leg Extensions, Calf Raises & Lunges.

I had planned 2 routines.. they look like this:

1: Takes roughly 90mins

Bench Press 8x3
Dumbell Flys 8x3
Military Press 8x3
Lateral Dumbbell Raises 8x3
Dips 12x3
Leg Extensions 8x3
Calf Raises 8x3
Abs

2: Takes roughly 90mins

Deadlift 8x3
Chin Ups 6x4
Lateral Pull Down 8x3
Seated Row 8x3
Hammer Curls 8x3
Barbell Bicep Curl 8x3
Straight Bar Cable Curls 8x3
Lunges 8x3
Abs.
Not bad, but can certainly be improved.

1) is pretty good, but I'd drop the ab work personally (I've never really done any and my abs are really coming through well now I'm dropping bodyfat). Also, leg extensions on their own are not enough stimulation and certainly not a balanced workout. Do squats.

2) Hello bicep boy ;) 3 exercises for biceps is WAY too much. You don't even need to do any direct work on them for well shaped arms. Pick one.

Overall, not enough leg work. 4 sets of 10 reps on squats will certainly help.



edit: Nice work Tom!
 
Ok, some problems...

*cries*

"Toning", in the way you've described it, doesn't exist. You can not "shape" muscle, only get it bigger or smaller. What you have is excess bodyfat, which you can also not shape. At a guess, you want a moderately muscular physique with low-ish bodyfat.

For this you'll need to drop some bodyfat and gain some muscle!

Thanks for the advice mate.

I've dropped a bicep routine and incorporated squats now.

- I just cant seem to drop my ab routines, been doing them for 6 weeks and theyve really come along - complimented with my jujitsu training i think in another 6 weeks they should look nicely visible.

Cheers.
 
You'll get plenty of ab work in nearly every complex exercise you do. They most definitely get worked in deadlifts, squats and bench (the latter if you are in the right position.)
 
I don't disagree with the abs, I have just started to train mine because I need to improve my squat form a bit. You just need to train them the right way so avoid things like sit ups, weighted twists and basically anything a teenage boy would do. Things like planks are the best thing for your abs, you just need to do them correctly which is closing the gap between your ribs and your pelvis by really squeezing your stomach and tensing your glutes hard to rotate your hips towards the floor. Then if that is too easy start doing them with one leg off the floor, hold and then swap. I can guarantee that if you do them properly they we no longer be an easy exercise.

In essence with abs anything that is resistive, so you have to work to stop something moving, including preventing rotary motion is good. Crunches and leg raises are fine but if you do other things properly they will become redundant.

@icecold's link, thanks bro going to be reading that before todays deadlift sesh :)
 
You just need to train them the right way so avoid things like sit ups, weighted twists and basically anything a teenage boy would do.

Crunches, reverse crunches, side bends and hanging leg raises are without a doubt the best ab exercises around today.
 
I don't disagree with the abs, I have just started to train mine because I need to improve my squat form a bit. You just need to train them the right way so avoid things like sit ups, weighted twists and basically anything a teenage boy would do. Things like planks are the best thing for your abs, you just need to do them correctly which is closing the gap between your ribs and your pelvis by really squeezing your stomach and tensing your glutes hard to rotate your hips towards the floor. Then if that is too easy start doing them with one leg off the floor, hold and then swap. I can guarantee that if you do them properly they we no longer be an easy exercise.

In essence with abs anything that is resistive, so you have to work to stop something moving, including preventing rotary motion is good. Crunches and leg raises are fine but if you do other things properly they will become redundant.

@icecold's link, thanks bro going to be reading that before todays deadlift sesh :)

reps for good ab routine :p
 
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