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icecold said:
Those are extremely risky!

1) Your arse is not designed to be a load bearing surface.

2) If you can't get 90 degrees of hip flexion then you're going to be rounding your lower back at lockout. Some people on Sugden were posting about this exercise bothering their backs, this is why.

3) At no point do you ever put something over your head in strongman without having to use your legs for support, so this exercise is an accessory movement. You're left with a lot of risk for something that has quite an isolated benefit to your main lift.

I don't want you to break! :)
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Like anything, if you don't have the flexibility to get into the right position then you should work on that rather than force it :)

And completely, I wouldn't want to do this for a weight that would mean very low reps (below 5 tbh), far too easy to fall back and make a fool of yourself :D
 
What work does Z-Press do compared to seated shoulder/military press? :)

They look interesting! I'm far from flexible enough to try them though.
 
I'm presuming it is more purely shoulders. As opposed to getting your legs or anything else involved :p

I wouldn't try them, especially with my back
 
Dj_Jestar said:
What work does Z-Press do compared to seated shoulder/military press? :)

They look interesting! I'm far from flexible enough to try them though.
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No leg drive, no pressing back into a upright bench (be it low or high back). It helps by stopping any ill discipline when standing or seated basically.

It also forces you to get under the bar, get your head through otherwise a complete lack of stability will make you fail the lift
 
icecold said:
Try it, but you might find your short arms limit you with sumo too. You also have to have really good adductor flexibility to get down into the start position. Be really careful to ensure a stable lumbar (get a video or have someone watch, at the very least check in a mirror on light sets) because there is a good chance of putting your back into a bad position.

However, we should also be looking at why your conventional deads are stagnating. How have you been training them?
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Thanks, I think your right. I took a vid today and my conventional starting position is not as bad as it feels, so I'll stick with it. I definitely need to deload and work on my form though, I noticed on vids today that over about 120kg (140 ish 1rm) I just don't seem to bother with leg drive at all.

I'd really like a training routine where I'm deadlifting more than once a week, as like squatting I think this is the only way I'll really progress.
 
Chris1712 said:
Thanks, I think your right. I took a vid today and my conventional starting position is not as bad as it feels, so I'll stick with it. I definitely need to deload and work on my form though, I noticed on vids today that over about 120kg (140 ish 1rm) I just don't seem to bother with leg drive at all.

I'd really like a training routine where I'm deadlifting more than once a week, as like squatting I think this is the only way I'll really progress.
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Deadlifting more than once a week will probably kill you :p

If you're being progressive with the weight then you should be making gains on the deadlift.
 
Don't understand why people bounce/touch and go with deadlifts, essentially removing the dead part from deadlift. It's pretty much the most common thing I see in the gym with deadlifts.
 
LiE said:
Don't understand why people bounce/touch and go with deadlifts, essentially removing the dead part from deadlift. It's pretty much the most common thing I see in the gym with deadlifts.
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Depends on your goals or the point of the exercise you are doing at that time surely.
What exactly is wrong with T&G?
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Giggity giggity :p

Also on a note of those silly MP bags tearing, maybe this is all a plan of there's that is to get us to buy their MP tubs! :mad:
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just buy the tubs anyone, there not expensive and make things a lot easier, i think i have the medium sized tubs, and they are great
 
Morba said:
Depends on your goals or the point of the exercise you are doing at that time surely.
What exactly is wrong with T&G?
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It reduces the involvement of the muscles you'd normally use to lift the weight off the floor. It doesn't lend itself to maintaining good form.
 
LiE said:
It reduces the involvement of the muscles you'd normally use to lift the weight off the floor. It doesn't lend itself to maintaining good form.
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Unless you are doing stupid weights for low reps, this really isn't going to be a problem for most people if general form is kept.
 
LiE said:
Deadlifting more than once a week will probably kill you :p

If you're being progressive with the weight then you should be making gains on the deadlift.
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I thought that before Stronglifts about squats but all it did was make me considerably better at squatting lol. Maybe not 3x a week, but more than once would be nice. Just gonna swallow my pride and deload a good 20-30% or so to really work on form.
 
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