This is the only way I do it now and been the most successful.
Stuff like this should be illegal.
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This is the only way I do it now and been the most successful.
Stuff like this should be illegal.
Do we need a new bum thread?
I have ended up with too many work options, question is which to take on.
Applying for jobs is not the way, everything happens for me through reaching out (sorry) to acquaintances, old colleagues etc. Guess it's easier if you've moved around a bit, but making sure you always stay in touch with people and never leave on bad terms.
I have ended up with too many work options, question is which to take on.
Applying for jobs is not the way, everything happens for me through reaching out (sorry) to acquaintances, old colleagues etc. Guess it's easier if you've moved around a bit, but making sure you always stay in touch with people and never leave on bad terms.
Ouch.
Yet another contract agency calling about including the CV into my old place of work.. not sure this will go anywhere but should know.
It’ll be far enough away from the previous characters but still full of the old politics.
Not keeping my hopes high so cracking with other roles.
It’ll be far enough away from the previous characters but still full of the old politics.
Not keeping my hopes high so cracking with other roles.
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They've still not hired for that role.
They are now saying they don't want 'strategic' people but want someone that has experience of actually administrating.. well the role they're asking is strategic ... but they also want the person to have experience doing both the administration and have legacy administration, architecture etc too.. and to sort out the mess that exits in the legacy environments without any documentation. You can see why they've not filled that role lol.
Still looking, slowly applying.
They are now saying they don't want 'strategic' people but want someone that has experience of actually administrating.. well the role they're asking is strategic ... but they also want the person to have experience doing both the administration and have legacy administration, architecture etc too.. and to sort out the mess that exits in the legacy environments without any documentation. You can see why they've not filled that role lol.
Still looking, slowly applying.
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Over 50 or 40? This is worth a watch to reset how you approach things.
Applied for a position I'm qualified for, however it's via Workday. After putting in the CV the workflow then wants work history added, skills and courses that you can't add because of WD. Painful. Then this morning before 8am.. I get a rejection email. Yep - I got Workday'd.
Applied for a position I'm qualified for, however it's via Workday. After putting in the CV the workflow then wants work history added, skills and courses that you can't add because of WD. Painful. Then this morning before 8am.. I get a rejection email. Yep - I got Workday'd.
I’ve said it before, but you can avoid all the drama of fighting against thousands of online applicants by making sure you build and maintain a decent professional network.
Skip the queue.
Always leave places on good terms. Don’t burn bridges. Use LinkedIn, stay in touch with people.
Skip the queue.
Always leave places on good terms. Don’t burn bridges. Use LinkedIn, stay in touch with people.
^^^ this, especially when it comes to skillsets that are less tangible, harder to assess etc.
Even then there is an issue for people in general management roles or managers of teams of consultants or sales people - I've seen a former "global head of" XYZ end up becoming a "life coach"/"careers coach" and anther taking a huge pay cut to work at a charity. They (understandably) don't necessarily want to go back to the non-management role that might involve regular travel, client visits but getting into an equivalent senior role, especially in a short space of time following say a redundancy isn't necessarily easy even with a good network.
On the other hand older technical people who want to stay technical/hands on and have a relevant skillset seem to be just fine if they keep that network and can bounce between contracts in their area of expertise.
I think the broader issue here is just applications in general; these days they're getting so many candidates per advert and many CVs/application forms are being filtered before a human even reads them.
Applying for jobs has never been ideal but it's even worse today, there are plenty of other approaches though. I think it's fundamental to try and speak to people at least on the phone if not face to face, existing network is ideal but even outside of that then meet-ups/events etc.. just getting out there and talking to people could be way more constructive than applications.
Secondly if a role has a recruiter then there's no harm in proactively reaching out - like literally just call the relevant recruitment firm while you've got the email/CV ready to go and ask to speak to them, introduce yourself, have a brief chat etc.. and then send it over.
Lastly if you are doing some cold applications to adverts then maybe try this site:
Welcome to the Jungle—Work with the company you belong to
Welcome to the Jungle is the guide that walks you through your job-search: find out what it's like to work for today's top companies and find the best content to thrive in your career
www.welcometothejungle.com
It's smaller tech firms and you may find there are fewer applicants than the big established job sites.
I’m waiting on two internal teams to get back to me, one I know will have headcount, one I’m not sure yet.
Started interviewing other places too, hate how long the process takes though. Roughly having a screening call a day at the moment.
Frustrating thing is I turned down another job about 3 months ago, hindsight is a wonderful thing
Started interviewing other places too, hate how long the process takes though. Roughly having a screening call a day at the moment.
Frustrating thing is I turned down another job about 3 months ago, hindsight is a wonderful thing
Got my redundancy chat back in January to say they were closing the company at end of March.
Been working on my own start up ever since but now I'm in the waiting stage to get premises and other legislation done as well as learning about new things such as VAT
I was essentially left to my own devices for 2 years (besides a part timer I had to recruit, we were the only people in the building) so not sure I could go back to actually working for anyone and learning something new that I already know I'm not interested in and would leave as soon as my thing can start.
Been working on my own start up ever since but now I'm in the waiting stage to get premises and other legislation done as well as learning about new things such as VAT
I was essentially left to my own devices for 2 years (besides a part timer I had to recruit, we were the only people in the building) so not sure I could go back to actually working for anyone and learning something new that I already know I'm not interested in and would leave as soon as my thing can start.
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I was made at risk of redundancy on Tuesday with a final decision due next Friday and I am not expecting to keep my job at all so i am a new member of the bum club waves
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What sector do you work in if you don't mind me asking and have they given any reason as to why?
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Company that runs Apprenticeships, i was a Business Intellgience developer (PowerBI/SQL/Excel mainly a bit pf Python). Reason given is they are getting a "data platform" that will reduce a lot of manual effort plus they are hiring a senior analyst (to add to the current 1 in our team) so they are making 4 analysts (roughly mid level) redundant.
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Has anyone made a claim on redundancy insurance? One of the condition for making a claim is that I must be claiming JSA, just wondering if i will get any money from that as I will be getting an income from the insurance pay out.
No but I'm vaguely aware of the insurance aspect - I remember at a previous place some guys all signing up as there were rumours of (but not yet announced) future redundancies in their department.
Obviously DYOR but AFAIK - the basics are:
MOD Edit - take a day off.
New JSA disregards that and pays a bit more (like £600 a month) but only lasts for 6 months IIRC - it also requires you to have worked for the past 3+ years.
So the JSA requirement is a mixture of verification, risk management and marketing. The DWP has more powers than a private insurance firm and for PAYE salarymen/women JSA is hard to cheat as all the paperwork/admin/reporting w.r.t NI etc. is already handled for them.
You must've been working for 3+ years already to be eligible for JSA so these policies are only of use to demonstrably employable people - again less risk for the Insurer (they'll also price based on the type of work you're in etc..).
They get to market say a £1500 per month policy but for the first 6 months they're only paying out say £900 (as the small print will invariably allow them to deduct the JSA payments) and by the time they're liable for the full £1500 in months 7-12 they're hoping many claimants will be back in work. Added to that - it's not intended to replace your salary but only a portion of it (AFAIK that's enforced by design too with hard caps on how much coverage you're even permitted to take out) to cover some essentials so claimants also have a strong incentive to find work soon. Also this is where the DWP comes in too - by requiring a JSA claim be made they're ensuring any claimant is signing on regularly and that the DWP is checking they're looking for work.
Lastly - AFAIK these sort of policies will require that a redundancy is compulsory but employers will often try to speed up the redundancy process by offering pay outs for people to waive their rights etc. You’d probably need to seek some advice about that sort of scenario and check whether it still counts for the purpose of claiming the insurance in the event you take the payout. You're also likely to have an initial exclusion period of like 3 months or 6 months or whatever so if you've not already got such a policy then rushing out to get one of these right before redundancies are announced won't necessarily work.
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@dowie thanks for the advice. I’be been paying for ASU insurance for the last two years and was notified as being at risk of redundancy on Tuesday, so thats fine.
I didn’t see anything in my paperwork about them making deductions from JSA either so just curious how this will work when i apply for JSA. I paid a bit extra for my policy, there is a 30 day waiting period but i can claim back to day 1 of when i am officially made redundant which is good. The payout is enough to live on, just curious if i will get any extra from JSA.
I didn’t see anything in my paperwork about them making deductions from JSA either so just curious how this will work when i apply for JSA. I paid a bit extra for my policy, there is a 30 day waiting period but i can claim back to day 1 of when i am officially made redundant which is good. The payout is enough to live on, just curious if i will get any extra from JSA.