THE 50K CHALLENGE: NEW MUSTANG ON THE WAY, BUT WOULD 50K BE BETTER SPENT ON ANOTHER MARQUE?

Gibbo said:
Yes and under 5s is hard, when you have 800HP hitting the back wheels through a manual gear box what do you expect? Its hardly any quicker than a bone stock Mustang to 60, and the new Mustang with 460HP is far quicker than his to 60. Unfortunately so few people just look at 0-60 and summarise it as the true performance statistic for a car where in reality and day to day driving it really means nothing. The best statistic is really 30-130mph but is a stat generally not done as such next best is quarter mile and look at the trap speed, as trap speed really tells you how strong a car is rolling.

Perfect example, Kosta I think ran a 12.4@107 in his Scoob, I was running circa 13.5@113 in my Mustang, so the Scoob is faster, yet accelerating from a roll on the motorway the Mustang walked it. Hence look at the trap/terminal speeds and is why GTR is so good because they don't only just have low ET's from great traction but they also trap around 125mph too, meaning a GTR will pretty much hand most cars their ass from any situation, dig, roll, 100+ etc. :)
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Oh I see I’m not sure I stopped chasing big power when I got to 500bhp cars. Just wasn’t enough space / never legal to really open the taps so we are on different wavelengths now.

If the mustang still makes you feel the buzz in your man parts then do it and forget anything else.
 
Tell you what mustangs I do admire is the really really old school ones now they are cool.

Even your first Mustang I thought was really cool.

But I really know nothing about them
 
wedrum said:
your last mustang looked great it baffles me as to why you would want to do it all again on basically the same car.
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I liked his proper American stang he had now that looked epic / was epic. Think of the money saved keeping that :D

I can’t talk though I’m a fiend for spending money on metal things that move.
 
for UK roads the golf is pretty untouchable to 60 so for that the golf is perfect and keep it, you have the M3 for track days so thats covered too.
so get a Porsche or a Aston martin something with a bit of class.
 
Problem with Golf Rs is they are everywhere now. So not really something special. It's car for people who want to blend in but also want something fast.

You can't beat a good RWD coupe or drop top for something that just feels right and hits the spot. Especially when it makes the right noises. You don't need to drive it fast :)
 
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Nasher said:
Problem with Golf Rs is they are everywhere now. So not really something special. It's car for people who want to blend in but also want something fast.

You can't beat a good RWD coupe or drop top for something that just feels right and hits the spot. Especially when it makes the right noises. You don't need to drive it fast :)
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I'd argue it was not special even when brand new, it is just a Golf, looks dull and sounds boring, the DSG fart is the only noise I look forward too. Its a fantastic road car, its stupid quick and its quite good handling, not crazy understeer like its Audi counterparts, no idea what VW did, but even then its still just an A-B car, it really has no sense of occasion or theatre.

Just starting the Mustang did make me grin like crazy, but that is more a V8 thing, well a car with a good loud V8 anyway. :)
 
Joe T said:
Gibbo, what did you think of that F-Type I linked to?
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This one: ???
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710240601546?fuel-type=Petrol&postcode=st87hf&year-from=2010&zero-to-60=TO_5&price-to=65000&sort=sponsored&price-from=30000&colour=Orange&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&maximum-mileage=25000&transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

If so I have dropped them an email, very interested in one like that, right colour, nice big wing, always a good thing in my book and it is AWD so can put the power down, I loved my Mustang for its sense of occaison and only disliked it being a manual and somewhat unpredictable in wet, I know an F-Type is not a 911/Cayman handling wise but its got an auto which I want and the AWD should make it some what more predictable in typical British wet weather whilst still be a big fun factor car.

A Jag before I am 40 though? Wait I did own an S-Type some years ago. :D
 
Joe T said:
That one is a little over budget, no?Buy it anyway, it looks great!

The one I linked wasnt AWD, but was £10k cheaper.

Jag before 40? Well, I've got a Morgan before 40! :D :p
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For the right car I can move the budget a little, also got a contact a Jaguar as a friend of a friend is high up there, so they are going to try and help me out, so could be a nice little discount on a Jaguar too. The discount on new is really big, but I am not buying new as the depreciation on new F-types is absolutely mental, these cars are 2-3yr old and were around 100k and now they are already 55-65k which is quite scary.

I feel brand new Mustang will lose 7-10k in first 12 months, a 2-3yr F-type I feel will be be around 5k a year now loss from where they currently sit, as such a little less. But depreciation is a total guess, but I can't see new Mustang holding its money anywhere near as well as the 2015's did, also with a Mustang I will end up spending close to £10,000 on it easily messing around, an F-type like the Golf is pretty sorted out the box, I will still fiddle a little maybe but any spend will probably be 1-2k in mods if that at all. It is fair to say a new Mustang will owe me £60,000 by the time I finish with it and if I sold it a year later would get like 40k, so 20k gone.

Though the above is complete man maths, as such there is no science involved, just finger in air.

Anyway going to try and sort test drives in a RWD again and then drive an AWD, see what I think. My first time in a RWD F-type was sometime ago, it was a rag top and Pzero and it was shall we say lively on the rear and the TC light really preventing full throttle in 2nd and 3rd gear in dry, a little annoying. I suspect RWD newer R ones is same, so I think if I go for one will have to be AWD. I doubt even mighty Michelins could tame an F-type R, it just seems very poor at putting power down. I might drive them again and think total junk, hence need to drive these things.

I keep looking at Hellcats, but if I am worried about an F-type for putting its power down, I guess that does not even come close to a Hellcat trying to deploy its power on a bumpy British road. :D
 
That red one isn’t AWD. I can tell by the dash cluster isn’t the later 5” TFT with much higher resolution. It won’t have been close to 100k either.

A 3 sec F Type is hard work it’s not a sprinty car, it doesn’t have a enough front bias torque, its quite long geared it’s too heavy and the rear axle is a bit old hat. The roll on mid range is incredible though and that’s the thrill on the road.
 
Hellcat struggles so much to get the power down it gets beaten on tracks by cars with less than half the HP :p

But it's good at top trumps.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
That red one isn’t AWD. I can tell by the dash cluster isn’t the later 5” TFT with much higher resolution. It won’t have been close to 100k either.

A 3 sec F Type is hard work it’s not a sprinty car, it doesn’t have a enough front bias torque, its quite long geared it’s too heavy and the rear axle is a bit old hat. The roll on mid range is incredible though and that’s the thrill on the road.
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Gonna drive both RWD and AWD, see how they compare, interesting your thoughts on AWD, makes it sound not a very good car? Price wise I was just looking at configurator and they start at 93k plus options, hence the 100k guess.
 
The red would have taken £5k off for not AWD. Prices have move around at MY16 as the V8 entry got loaded up and standard AWD.

I must have gave wrong tone. AWD is ace, makes it a useable road car. Just justifying the perception of “slow” looking at 0-60.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
The red would have taken £5k off for not AWD. Prices have move around at MY16 as the V8 entry got loaded up and standard AWD.

I must have gave wrong tone. AWD is ace, makes it a useable road car. Just justifying the perception of “slow” looking at 0-60.
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Ah got you, not too fussed about 0-60, just as long as it can be consistent and sub 4s really, but roll on mid-range acceleration is far more fun, booting a car at 30 upto 100 is great fun, what I enjoy along with chucking around corners as you know.
 
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