THE 50K CHALLENGE: NEW MUSTANG ON THE WAY, BUT WOULD 50K BE BETTER SPENT ON ANOTHER MARQUE?

[Gibbo]

Was referring to his previous about being a V8. The mech diff does suit the drive ability nature of the less grunty V6S rather than the V8 eDiff.

Lots seems to rating the 4 cylinder aswell, weight reduction upfront is pretty noticeable.

I do hate that though when sports car/ GT can’t do the basics like multistoreys though

My time in a V8 F-Type was short, so maybe my experience was a poor one. Your fortunate enough to get plenty of time in them, have you found the same that trying to put power down in V8 RWD is just either a case of a lot wheelspin or traction control just holding it back? Is there different diff options to help or do you mean they all have same diff which is simply better suited to the V6S?

I do love looks on the F-Type Coupe, AWD would be great, but I think they are still like 70k upwards for the V8 and if so then at which point I can probably get into a 911 maybe.
If I did not like V8's so much would make it far easier haha.

 

[Gibbo]

I've set myself a similar 50k challenge, albeit with slightly more stringent guidelines and the inclusion of 4wd - it needs to be a daily driver and I live in Scotland. It's snowing outside as I type.

It needs to be new, or almost new (up to a year old) with a manufacturer's warranty. This is quite hard for 50k and most of the cars mentioned in this thread are either old or way over 50k.

I ruled out 911s - you can't get a decent C4s for that. So I initially narrowed it down to:

• RS3 Saloon - Fun, but at 50k its very expensive for what is still an A3 in many ways
• E43 - Not a real AMG, but I think it'll be a bit better built than a C43 and a pre reg can be had under 50k. Probably not a huge amount of fun though
• F-Type V6 S - Around budget at a year old and, I believe, the V6S has 4wd

If I drop the 4wd option and look to invest in a set of winter wheels and tyres (and the hassle of changing them over every year) then I came to:

• C63S - perhaps even a coupe as it looks meaner
• F10 M5 - not sure it can put all it's power down properly.

So at the moment my head is saying F-Type but my heart is saying V8 C63S. Not sure what I will do.

Just remember I think the Golf R, Audi S3, RS3 and TT RS all use a FWD biased Haldex system which means its FWD until otherwise. Also I think the Audi S5 is within budget, those are around 350HP and have a more permanent 4WD setup which could suit snow better but could be wrong. However the RS3 and TT RS do sound absolutely amazing and are super proper fast out the box, they are as quick as the first R8 V10's were to 100mph, something like 3.5s to 60 and 8s to 100, really fast cars which sound ace and drive very good on the road.

Problem with the Audi's are they special enough, I will admit I do like the new TT RS, improved handling, amazing interior and digital dash and they look good but sound incredible, that 5 pot sounds epic.

 

[Gibbo]

I remember nearly buying a Sagaris, when I was looking they were 25-35k, doubled in price now.

 

[Gibbo]

I’ll still continue to think that as im sure others will....

50k on the same car again madness.

How much money have you rinsed on mustangs now Andy

A vast amount I'd say, well over £100,000, but hey if we add stuff up it gets scary, how much money have I rinsed on holidays probably also a scary big number we all have our weakness and for me I do love a bit of American muscle. Plus no matter how much people may not get it, you put a Mustang in orange or a Dodge Hellcat in a car park and they simply are pretty much the best looking car in said car park, even the fast European stuff just looks like most the other stuff on the road and I guess a lot of that is because an M car is not a ground up car, an AMG is the same as are the Audi RS variants, though they are totally epic, they fall under the radar of being cool. Unless you go to exotic stuff, R8, F-Type, Ferrari etc. and it when you see these and then when a Mustang, Camaro, Challenger is next to them they never look out of place and get just as much attention. Maybe in another 5yr or 10yr as more US stuff enters Europe this won't be the case, but right now a Mustang on the road is a lovely sight and gets most petrol heads excited and the none petrol heads also get it.

I am going to re-visit the F-Types, simply as one of the guys wifes here can get big discounts on new and used Jaguars so an AWD version might be possible. As much of a laugh a RWD F-Type would be I'd imagine a few weeks into ownership not being able to use full throttle could get rather annoying.

I want something loud that looks awesome, goes like a stink and is reliable. That is why the Mustang does so well, there is really not much else in the 40-60k bracket, yes a TT RS I'd argue sounds as good, goes faster but there is a BUT I cannot put my finger on, lets just say it does not have the road presence or make you feel like a Mustang or something like an F-Type does.

R8 I'd want would have to be S-tronic V10, the V8 are slow and the older ones are pretty crap inside and they seem to drive a bit loose and to be frank all the issues Housey has had with a near new one really put me off, considering I will be using daily all weather, driving it hard it needs to be reliable and not a fragile garage queen.

 

[Gibbo]

I see a lot of yank muscle so I guess I am semi immune to it. I live near 2 US air bases and a lot of yanks live near me, so there are probably 30-50 yank muscle cars near me, but even so I agree they do carry a presence, could just be down to the sheer size

For me thats the reason my next car will probably be an RS TT, I like the fact its quite understated for the performance. When I compare the other serious contender for me, the M2 its very aggressive looking but its clearly designed to stand out.

I think your going to struggle to find a real competitor to the stang without looking at other american muscle, its just a different way of doing it and if you like that thing everything else is going to seem underwhelming.

Very true!

Hellcat is my favourite car looks wise, but its just far too compromised in handling and size to make a good daily driver, which is a shame as they are within budget, but then worse of all I remember they are LHD, had LHD before, coped fine but it is still a royal pain in backside.

 

[Gibbo]

So the conclusion of this thread is simply that there isn't anything that competes directly with the Mustang's muscle car niche in the UK and ticks the same boxes @Gibbo ?

If you can live with the ~£50k purchase cost then crack on.

Hard, but the more I talk about F-Type, well now I am looking at F-Types as a serious alternative, has to be V8 and ideally needs to be AWD version.

 

[Gibbo]

yea but you cant talk to the guy it's a waste of time.
a Mustang is nothing that special, the 2018 Camaro ZL1 spanks it in almost every review you read, it's a miles better car, even the cheaper 2017 Camaro SS is better too....... but it's LHD only.

LOL.

For how many years have you being saying your buying a car? Think I've had a few cars whilst you've being deciding to have one. You really talk crap and have no place in this thread apart to spout more crap, but go on, myself and others do love a good laugh.

 

[Gibbo]

Autotrader > up to £55k > 2014 or newer > 0-60 under 5sec

**** loads of awesome cars, better than a mustang.

Only being on PH so far, will be having a play over coming weeks seeing what options are out there, there is always something faster and if it was just about and only about performance stats I'd probably end up keeping the Golf or getting a GTR.

 

[Gibbo]

if anyone is an idiot it's you, we have to read your silly mustang threads all the time, you're so boring...... your last mustang you were too scared to supercharge it, too scared to drive it hard at the pod, you're full of **** man, you're a joke............. you're deffo the laugh on this thread Gibbo, you're a poser!

When we see you at Pod, on track days, road trips feel free to post them, not seen any from you apart from you dreams and fantasies.

If I am scared, why did I supercharged a much older live axled Mustang with no traction control on, reason, NA it was slow, supercharged it was fast. The new S550 can be made as fast NA, supercharged it simply spoils them as a daily road car, my mate with his 800HP says to me often he wished he never did it as he can no longer drive it flat out as its simply too much to drive hard on a UK road.

I speak from experience and reality, which is far more than you do.

Seems I hit a nerve.

 

[Gibbo]

Dreamers gonna dream. No need to get jealous because someone actually pulls the trigger... multiple times... before you.

Well said. Only one idiot in this thread and X marks the spot.

 

[Gibbo]

One of my colleagues had a new V6 F Type (340bhp) recently and it was still quick and sounded great.

T boned by a van at 3 months old and written off. Return to invoice gap though he was glad of.

But it was a lovely place to be and loads of cabin space.

In the real world the V6S is probably the best all rounder, but I just love the naughtiness of V8's, if I did not a choice would be far easier, GTR.

Do love the 5 pot in the Audi's too for its noise.

 

[Gibbo]

Aaaaaamen

Stop hating on the Pony.

Once I am less busy I am just gonna become a test pilot for a few weeks and go drive stuff in case something really wins me over.

 

[Gibbo]

no you're a loud mouth who thinks your're better than others, you have a cocky attitude................just read your Bitcoin posts, keep quiet about how much money you have !!
this is not about your stupid 2018 mustang that we all have to see every damned week, just buy it and shut up about it...............it's your mouthy posts where you brag about how much money you have....you are crude !

I have not bragged at all, never made a post about bitcoin, just replied to some saying I had some litecoins which are not bitcoins, hell I wish they worth and having about 50k worth litecoins does not make me rich and this is the first time I've mentioned a value and they are worthless until I transfer them anyway.

My post mouthy. OK leave you to think as you do, I've met most the people in motors face to face, helped several and several have helped me, let me know what you have contributed.

If others agree with you then I will listen but the amount of guys I've met here, many who I get on with and some who I consider friends, I think they will be siding with myself, but hey we shall let those guys decide, not me and not you.

 

[Gibbo]

Like what rock was this Guy hiding under ??
If i remember Gibbo purchased Mustang as a daily driver . Not Track Pod weapon.... For track He's got and full on Track spec M3 that handles like a dream. For Pod .... Well who cares about cars fast on straight thats for people that cant actually drive

Been around Donington with Gibbo in hes 911 and I'd rate him in top 5 Drivers I'd had plessure to drive with around Track.


Mal X You got any Track videos of You driving ?? I got few myself even tho im crap at it still do it every year when i have money to burn.

Thanks man.

 

[Gibbo]

you have no humility, no sincerity, you're just a pumped up get rich quick salesman ....... God i hate people like you

Thanks, I love you to.

 

[Gibbo]

Having briefly met Andy at Palmersport and seen his posts on here it's clear he is just a huge car enthusiast and fairly humble about it. Hell, he goes about in shorts and socks pulled up! haha.

Anyway, trolls gonna troll.

My 2p. If I had 50k and already had a spot on all-round daily like the Golf, I'd put my money towards something older/classic with a bit more character and soul, maybe something that could potentially appreciate in value. I know you love your cutting edge tech and all round ability, but you have a car that does that and you have a dedicated track car. You're missing something special, the Mustang while great and something I absolutely love seeing on the roads (and I do frequently living where I do), it's just not gonna have the soul.

I can see this angle, one of the Mustang guys, got a late 1960's one, its gorgeous and he got it for 15k, was a bit of shed at first, but now 10k later (25k total) its pretty lovely and absolutely special, its just I'd hardly drive it, because the old stuff is not so nice to drive, but you do feel awesome doing so.

 

[Gibbo]

Just because im in my new house and am bored

https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...ono-nav-massive-spec-porsche-warranty/7467232 - OPC warrantied Cayman GTS with buckets and PDK. I would go Boxster S because I like putting the top down.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...oupe-available-for-immediate-delivery/7612768 - Brand new Audi TT RS.

That cayman is gorgeous!
Really has got me looking, seems they are appreciating as I thought the GTS was 55k new? Guess its down to the new ones sounding completely woeful in comparison.

This might sound bad but if I got a Cayman it would have to be yellow, blue or the nice red they do and this is where I might get shot down, but I'd want to put the GT4 front bumper, wing and other GT4 parts on it, not to try and built a copy but just because I absolutely adore the looks.
Problem is I sold my last 911 which has 370HP because it was not giving me the straight line acceleration I wanted so maybe I could find myself there again, but in fairness it did take nearly 5 years to really decide for more power and noise, hence Mustang.

The TT RS I fully respect for its performance, it would destroy nearly any other car in this thread on a British road as they make their power so accessible, but as others have said the RS3 I believe is same car, but for far less money due to not wearing the prom dress. But then read any review where the Golf R is thrown in for comparison and the Golf tends to win, supposedly more playful and engaging. If the Golf had that 5 pot soundtrack it would be near perfect!

Porsche has the looks and handling but only if I throw some GT4 styling parts at it.
Audi has the noise and performance, though in the cabin a straight 6 Porsche sounds glorious admittedly.

Just gonna spend some time looking and testing other cars and putting some serious thought into.

Last Mustang was a safe buy, they were bargains, now they just seem a little over priced and surely I think depreciation could be fast and harsh maybe. But its still really has so much going for it, I guess that is what Ford is gambling on.
Really do like the idea of an F-Type though, keeping finding myself looking at them.

 

[Gibbo]

The v8 F-type does also sound absolutely lovely also. But it depends if you can get the trim level you want to match on a 50k budget.

Trim does not interest me, all that matters for me is it has the right performance options if any and if it is an option that is has the buckets. Think it would have to be red, orange or the loud blue colour though, looks too tame in other colours.

 

[Gibbo]

Here’s an idea. Keep the Golf because we aren’t really getting anywhere and another mustang is a waste of money

And just bank the cash / don’t spend.

What happens if I die tomorrow?
I am happy with life, got a house, have a few holidays per year.

The only reason for me to bank cash would be a good idea and sensible to maybe just stick with the Golf for a year plus and save like crazy to maybe get in the car I dream off that can be driven daily, can do track days and is reliable out the box and get myself into a 991 GT3. Probably still not exotic enough for you though. But maybe my taste are simpler as I don't dream of Ferrari's or a Lambo.

 

[Gibbo]

Is that 0-60 right, it looks quite slow for the power.

RWD, but there again the AWD F-Type is also 3.9s so either Jaguar are conservative with timings or its just not the best trans/chassis/weight setup for 0-60 sprints and its probably all in the 0-30 bit, car is probably proper rapid once moving, considering its got 550HP and 500lb/ft.

VAG group I think have the fastest accelerating petrol powered 0-30 cars, hence why stuff like TT RS, RS3, Golf R with some extra power are silly quick, even top gear showed a TT RS embarrassing a GTR off the line. Superfast transmission and smart/fancy AWD systems have transformed acceleration from a stand still with their epic traction, super fast gear shifts etc.