The 8 core Intel thread.

[ALXAndy]

For gaming you'd never pick the chip in the OP over a 4770K. At 2.3GHZ (It being an Ivy Octo core) it'll be less powerful overall than your 4770K at 4.6GHZ. In fact it should never beat a 4.6GHZ 4770K.

Of course. Clock speed is always what matters, because it's rare to see all 16 threads in full use.

I'm under no illusions here, my 3970x will wipe the floor with it. I get 4.8ghz on a H110 with perfectly acceptable temps, even in this heat wave we've been having.

However, what I am more interested in is core use. We're just about to get the holy grail from Intel (well, most of it any way) in that they're finally releasing an 8 core CPU that allows overclocking.

I'm pretty convinced that once core use goes up the 8 core Ivy will make for a fine gaming CPU. I'm already running a hex core Westmere with 670 SLI and tbh? doesn't game any differently to a lot of my other CPUs. It never breaks 30c though, which is nice.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/intel-xeon-e5-2687w-1074013/review

About sums it up. Intel = you can have the cores but not the clocks, or, you can have the clocks but not the cores.

That's (sort of) about to change though. I mean sure, we still won't get the ten core or twelve core CPU unlocked but things are changing.

As for picking X I7 over the 8 core? I just spent £165 all in on the 8 core and a board to run it in. IIRC the I7 4770k is what? £240? £250?

Unless the 8 core is a complete and utter flop it will be replacing my 8320. Which means I can then take the 120mm rad fans off and instead of running them at 12v run them at 5-7v meaning the rig will be about half as noisy as it is now, with a reduced power consumption. Fact is? I will get more than £165 for an 8320 that easily does 4.9ghz and a CHVFZ.

 

[Mal X]

windows 7 will sort out the drivers needed,dont use gigabyte disc it will be outdated

just let windows do its thing

thanks, so it's ok just to switch over the mobo for 1/2 an hour then.... you say dont use the SOC Force disc because it'll be too old, but i'll still need this in my new rig for all the overclocking menu stuff right, or is this an automatic download too, new rig will be Win 8????

please clarify this

(it's all been lapped and delidded so i might have to mess around with it to get it working right, on my new Case the mobo/ rear pc panel is all one assembly, the whole lot just slides out the back, it's a really good idea, i love the pc so much that i'm going to buy another one, use at as spares, it's so damned cheap that it doesn't matter)

 

[mmj_uk]

About sums it up. Intel = you can have the cores but not the clocks, or, you can have the clocks but not the cores.

As opposed to AMD where you can have the cores (which is debatable as they aren't conventional cores) and the clocks but performance is mediocre anyway, at least with Intel you get real 6-8 core performance and not a 'pseudo 8 core' that performs more like a quad.

I cannot see that Xeon being any better than an overclocked FX8320 personally but then you probably know that and are probably just angling to have a bash at Intel 8 cores and promote AMD based on your inevitable findings.

 

[wazza300]

thanks, so it's ok just to switch over the mobo for 1/2 an hour then.... you say dont use the SOC Force disc because it'll be too old, but i'll still need this in my new rig for all the overclocking menu stuff right, or is this an automatic download too, new rig will be Win 8????

please clarify this

(it's all been lapped and delidded so i might have to mess around with it to get it working right, on my new Case the mobo/ rear pc panel is all one assembly, the whole lot just slides out the back, it's a really good idea, i love the pc so much that i'm going to buy another one, use at as spares, it's so damned cheap that it doesn't matter)

just visit gigabyte website,enter your motherboard model and download latest utilities like easytune and app centre

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Its funny how ALXAndy is being called names,when he has both six core and eight core Intel CPUs which he bought with his own money,and has probably spent more on the Intel rigs anyway.

 

[ALXAndy]

As opposed to AMD where you can have the cores (which is debatable as they aren't conventional cores) and the clocks but performance is mediocre anyway, at least with Intel you get real 6-8 core performance and not a 'pseudo 8 core' that performs more like a quad.

I cannot see that Xeon being any better than an overclocked FX8320 personally but then you probably know that and are probably just angling to have a bash at Intel 8 cores and promote AMD based on your inevitable findings.

God how did you know?

You know, you're absolutely right ! I've bought an Intel 8 core because I want to show that my 8320 can beat it..

Fudge, totally busted huh?

Where you come up with this twaddle is just beyond me. What I want to know is how the cores are used, and, to what ends they make a difference. Why? Intel are about to launch an 8 core. So maybe if you like, shut up and just take in some information you may find it helpful?

Cat is about right. I spent £350 on my 3970x which was cheap in terms of what they still cost new (£850 or so) and spent £230 for a board to put it in. That's a far cry from my posh AMD rig which cost me £110 for the CPU and £159 for the CHVFZ.

You're totally, utterly and unequivocally missing he point.

The point here is core use. Whilst one of my Intel rigs (the big bad monster) cost me a small fortune the 8 core didn't. And I have a sweet rig to house it in too, 7990 ETC.

You seem to think I go around bashing on people and trolling. I don't ! I just know my onions and I know what I'm talking about.

If we can garner some facts on core use it will be interesting reading.

Maybe if you stopped playing detective and stopped with these outrageous ideas of what I'm up to you can learn something.

TBH? if this works out well (and I have a suspicion it will) then I will only have one AMD rig left (after I sell the 8320 and board) and that's a £30 Athlon.

Which also makes for a cracking little game rig with the GTX 480 Lightning it has inside it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Technically it's an 8 core Intel vs a 4 module AMD as the FX-8 series are not true octocores (hence why they compete against the i7 quad).

Technically Martini got his knickers in a twist when I highlighted this, others seem to get away with it.

It is amusing to watch the fanboys point fingers promoting other forumites as fanboys!

 

[kazuya1337]

i think this thread is really good, it would be interesting to know:-

1....can i get an existing multi core Xeon that is as good, or close to my 4770k

2....do we buy this Haswell 8 core cpu, or do we go for an existing Xeon that none of us have noticed before

if so we need to know its part no.

1) No

2) No and No

 

[Mal X]

Technically Martini got his knickers in a twist when I highlighted this, others seem to get away with it.

did he.....

these CPUs are very complicated, and to be a serious OC er one will need to know much more about them, Because right now all i use is the Auto functions.
this new mobo i've got is way too complicated for me, but it's quite interesting to read the instructions.....

 

[Martini1991]

The CPU's aren't very complicated.

They're 8 cores, I don't know why people are getting hung up on true cores now, by AMD's definition Intels Core 2 Quad wasn't a true quad core (Hence AMD's true quad core BS about Phenom)
It's not like 4 modules even means anything really, sure, it's 4 modules, that's a fact, but there's still 2 cores within that module.

Uber posts the occasional strange thing, for all I know it's another one of those light hearted comments.

I really wish you'd stop dragging my name into things th0nt, I feel you only do so because in any rational discussion, like most you'd come up trumps to me.

 

[RobCrezz]

I imagine that's what it'll turn into, but it's not an accurate comparison really, the xeon's like the OP's I count as completely pointless.

Completely pointles?

Yeah because PC's are only used for games, its not like there is anything else that can benefit from lots of cores/threads.

 

[Martini1991]

Completely pointles?

Yeah because PC's are only used for games, its not like there is anything else that can benefit from lots of cores/threads.

Yes, there are things that can benefit from lots of cores and threads, but unless you get a stellar deal second hand, you'd be far better off with a 4930K than one of these Xeons, and have 300 quid spare.

The end performance of this Xeon at stock is that of a 4.6GHZ 3770K, that's performance available at 230 quid, whereas this CPU generally costs 3 times that.

I imagine you'd take two of these Xeon's and chuck them in ; Asus Z9PE-D8 WS Dual Socket C602

But then you're basically spending a crap ton of money to get the same end performance you're going to get from a single overclocked 8 core Haswell-E.

If anyone remembers on socket 1366, you could get some overclocking Xeon's, that was basically i7 920's? I remember someone basically selling 2 of those xeon's with the board for about 200-300 quid.

 

[RobCrezz]

Yes, there are things that can benefit from lots of cores and threads, but unless you get a stellar deal second hand, you'd be far better off with a 4930K than one of these Xeons, and have 300 quid spare.

The end performance of this Xeon at stock is that of a 4.6GHZ 3770K, that's performance available at 230 quid, whereas this CPU generally costs 3 times that.

I imagine you'd take two of these Xeon's and chuck them in ; Asus Z9PE-D8 WS Dual Socket C602

But then you're basically spending a crap ton of money to get the same end performance you're going to get from a single overclocked 8 core Haswell-E.

If anyone remembers on socket 1366, you could get some overclocking Xeon's, that was basically i7 920's? I remember someone basically selling 2 of those xeon's with the board for about 200-300 quid.

Im not saying they are amazing value for money, but they are certainly not pointless.

Look at it from an Enterprise point of view - These are superb for HyperVisors, with 16 threads, 2.5Ghz Turbo, only 95w tdp. They are clearly not intended for the desktop/gaming (although i'm interested in how it performs in this scenario), to say its "pointless" is just not right.

Cores/threads > clock speed in many Enterprise systems.

 

[Martini1991]

Its total raw performance only matches an overclocked 3770K, which cost 3 times less (Not to mention the board price)

Why would you choose the same performance at triple the price?
If I was looking at it from an enterprise POV I'd buy two of the 4c/8t Haswell Xeon's at 200 a pop and build two systems at the same price and about 66% higher performance output.

Or, when Haswell-E comes, you'd just pick one of those Octo Cores while probably coming in at nigh on the same price.

 

[RobCrezz]

Its total raw performance only matches an overclocked 3770K, which cost 3 times less (Not to mention the board price)

Why would you choose the same performance at triple the price?
If I was looking at it from an enterprise POV I'd buy two of the 4c/8t Haswell Xeon's at 200 a pop and build two systems at the same price and about 66% higher performance output.

How do you figure that about that total raw performance? I would like to see a multi threaded benchmark comparing the two.

I can only find comparison benchmarks for the E5-2687W, which turbos to 3.4Ghz, but the multi thread performance compared to a 4960x is hugely better:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/xeon-e5-2600-v2-ivy-bridge-ep-benchmarks,review-32861.html

The problem with having two 4c/8t systems is that you would end up consuming more power, introducing more points of failure, using up more rack space - bear in mind that a server with this CPU would certainly be a dual CPU system. The 4c/8t dual socket capable chips are much more expensive than your regular £200 E3-1230 type chip, so you would end up having to have loads of these systems to get the amount of cores/threads.

 

[ALXAndy]

Well there's the whole ECC argument, and, overclocking on a server being a bit risky.

 

[Akagi]

The only part of this thread I am even remotely interested in is the £110 8 core Xeon.

Where did that come from?

Would be nice to upgrade my old workstation to one... It currently has a pair of E5430's (quad core 2.66GHz socket 771 chips)

 

[Mal X]

The CPU's aren't very complicated.

They're 8 cores, I don't know why people are getting hung up on true cores now, by AMD's definition Intels Core 2 Quad wasn't a true quad core (Hence AMD's true quad core BS about Phenom)
It's not like 4 modules even means anything really, sure, it's 4 modules, that's a fact, but there's still 2 cores within that module.

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not complicated you say and then you waffle on like this.....!!!!!

 

[Martini1991]

How do you figure that about that total raw performance? I would like to see a multi threaded benchmark comparing the two.

I can only find comparison benchmarks for the E5-2687W, which turbos to 3.4Ghz, but the multi thread performance compared to a 4960x is hugely better:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/xeon-e5-2600-v2-ivy-bridge-ep-benchmarks,review-32861.html

The problem with having two 4c/8t systems is that you would end up consuming more power, introducing more points of failure, using up more rack space - bear in mind that a server with this CPU would certainly be a dual CPU system. The 4c/8t dual socket capable chips are much more expensive than your regular £200 E3-1230 type chip, so you would end up having to have loads of these systems to get the amount of cores/threads.

Got a link to a review for those results?

The 4930K has 6 cores, 12 threads, those xeon's should have 8 cores, 16 threads, but in multi-threaded they'll be running at a much slower clock, so much so that the 4930k should have a higher raw performance.
The Xeon you've linked to is this ; http://ark.intel.com/products/76161/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2687W-v2-25M-Cache-3_40-GHz so the clock speed shouldn't be that low. I'm on about the low clock and highly priced xeon's.
Whereas the OP's I believe is 8 cores running at 2.3GHZ.

not complicated you say and then you waffle on like this.....!!!!!

That's not waffle?

 

[RobCrezz]

Link is in the post you quoted under the graphs.