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***The AGP & PCI-E Graphics Card Buyers Guide***

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by melbourne720, Jan 31, 2007.

  1. melbourne720

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    LOL well put :D
     
  2. Pulse

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    may sound lame but can we get some older cards on here? like X8xx :)
     
  3. melbourne720

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    Have a look at the first page... :rolleyes: :D
     
  4. Pulse

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    sorry i meant PCI-E versions
     
  5. james73

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    Dumbass question - my LCD monitor only has a VGA connector. Does this mean I cant use an X1950 card (they all seem to have two DVI connectors?) :confused:
     
  6. jrodga2k5

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    You should get a dvi to vga conector in the box :) you do with most cards these days, if not you can pick them up online so no worries
     
  7. melbourne720

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    Oh, sorry. :)

    I originally left the x1950XT off the buyers guide because you can get 8800 GTS for not much more. The price of it has come down since, so I'm not sure as to whether to recommend spending more on old tech. With the 8600 GTS just round the corner, would you spend £160 on a DX9 card?

    It's a close call but I think I'll still recommend saving a bit more up for an 8800 GTS or future DX10 card.

    At around the £100 and below price point, the x1950 Pro and the 7600 GT are still powerful enough to recommend at that price point.
     
  8. honestjohn

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    Just got another box of chocolates from VISA today just to say thank you ......

    I ordered the XFX 7950GT 512MB AGP yesterday and I should have sometime late in the afternoon. I'll let you know how it stacks-up against the X1950XT AGP.

    Edit:

    [​IMG]

    Drum Roll Please......and the Winner is the X1950XT AGP by a landslide......

    Should have know what the results were going to be after using the Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ 512MB which was based on the 7900GS. Before I get to the numbers, remember what I said about the Gecube Box? Look at the size of the Gecube compared to the 7950GT. Hummm, maybe there's something there. The Larger the Box, the Larger the performance??

    Anyway, on my rig the Gecube clearly came out on top. Even at it's X1950XT's default clocks it beat the 7950GT overclocked. I also used Driver Cleaner a few times because I thought the numbers were a little low for the 7950GT. Made no difference though so I guess I'm still an ATI guy.

    XFX 7950GT 512MB AGP / Core 550 Mhz. / 1300 Mhz effective

    3DMark05: 8396
    3DMark06: 4323


    XFX 7950GT 512MB AGP / Overclocked / Core 620 Mhz. / 1430 Mhz effective


    3DMark05: 8867
    3DMark06: 4698


    Gecube X1950XT TEC Turbo Fan 256 MB AGP / Gecube Recommended Overclock - Core 675 Mhz. (default 648 Mhz.) / Memory 1400 Mhz. effective

    3DMark05: 9617
    3DMark06: 4860


    Gecube X1950XT TEC Turbo Fan 256 MB AGP / Overclocked / Core 675 Mhz. / Memory 1600 Mhz. effective

    3DMark05: 9818
    3DMark06: 4860


    Other Reference Benches:

    Visiontek X1950 Pro 256MB AGP (my 1st X1950 Pro) - returned for refund

    3DMark05: 8756
    3DMark06: 4034


    Sapphire X1950 Pro 512MB (my second X1950 Pro) - sold for $50 more on Ebay

    3DMark05: 9119 / OC'd to HIS - 9261
    3DMark06: 4232 / OC'd to HIS - 4356


    Gainward Bliss 7800 GS+ 512MB AGP / 7900GS Core/ Goes Like Hell Ed - 20 Pipe / Overclocked / Core 603 Mhz. / Memory 1550 Mhz. effective

    3DMark05: 8611
    3DMark06: 4513
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2007
  9. melbourne720

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    Some updates done, put in a warning about the 8600 GTS, still no x2900 to put in there though!
     
  10. jrodga2k5

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    you should update with some hd2900xt info now :)
     
  11. melbourne720

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    Good point, have done. I'm sitting on the fence by saying it is approximately as powerful as a 8800 GTS, but as it is more expensive and requires more power the 8800 GTS 640MB will probably still attract most non fan-boys :D
     
  12. ihatelag

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    Hmm, but 8600 can run DX10 whereas the x1950 can not. BUT DX9 fps for the X1950 is quite competitive against the 8600. I am not saying your warning is wrong, just that it would be misleading if you talk about DX10 on a DX9 card.

    That's true.

    8800 > 8600 as is the X2900 > X1950.
     
  13. Boogle

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    CrossFire works on P965, 975X and P35 :) Should work on the graphics versions on those chipsets (where applicable) too, but haven't seen it in actual use. X38 will support CrossFire, and it would seem, SLI too.
     
  14. Waxmyballs

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    Would really like to know where the AGP X1650 pro would fit into the AGP hierarchy.

    :)
     
  15. melbourne720

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    It's just below the 7600 GT I think.

    edit: Also included direct links for the drivers for both major gfx card producers.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2007
  16. Scougar

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    I'm suprised ATI are going with 128bit memory bus on there 2600. I would have thought they'd need to trounce the lower (8600gts) section of the market and kept with 256.

    Especially considering there will be no point buying a 8600/2600 for dx10, and should only really it for dx9 games.

    Matthew
     
  17. Scougar

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    After looking into it for quite some time I personally went for an x1950xt 256 pci-e. It is only £105 at time of writing compared to the pro which at cheapest is £90. It beats the pro substantially in most benchmarks and believe it should be re added to the pci-e recommended list.

    However at £90 for the 512 version of the pro it is outstanding value, but the extra memory does not really give it any speed boost even at higher res's. The 48 pipes (xt) compared to 36 pipes (pro) simply cannot make up the difference.

    At £105 it's an outstanding deal given that it's only £15 more for at minimum 10 extra fps (not bad when it 23 verus 33 fps :D). Some versions of the pro are actually more expensive than the xt now, some by about £20!.

    Obviously the x1950xtx PCI-E is a complete rip of for old tech however at well over £200 from what i've seen.

    Matthew
     
  18. danielj315

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    cheers very helpful
     
  19. allllec

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    Sorry to be a pain

    x1950 Pro {66W} ,

    is that 66watt figure confirmed? to the best of your knowledge of course :)
     
  20. mr optimistic

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    Even Gibbo can’t recommend them...

    Thanks for this information & your hard work, still a nightmare 1 Interesting turn of phrase here..........