The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Dolph]

This

Ok, BNP opposing, white, always worked, never claimed benefits, no criminal convictions of any sort.

Your turn

 

[Chimerical]

There are plenty of racist people that vote for other partys too, you also dont have to be white to be racist......

Erm....but they're obviously not racist enough to vote for a party based on that reason though. And the "you don't have to be white to be racist" argument is tiresome.

Also you only seem to wanna talk about the immigration part, Do you think thats all they want to change? They also want to pull our troups from war and not send them out again just to lick americas ass (Lets face it, thats why we are over there now)

UKIP does this. Vote UKIP and bypass racial connotations.

 

[Dolph]

No.... there is NO differance between stereotyping attitudes and skin colour.

Yes there is, there is a massive difference, one is a subjective assessment of the position stated or expressed by the individuals actions, the other is an arbitary ruling based on factors that have nothing directly to do with the individual.

It's not just about race and color you know, jesus.

Actually, for the BNP (as a party, constitutionally) it is. Their primary aim, as stated in their party consitutiton is:

SECTION 1: POLITICAL OBJECTIVES
1) The British National Party shall be a political party which shall be referred to throughout
the rest of this Constitution as “the party”.
2) The political objectives of the party are set out in the following Statement of
Principles:-
(a) The British National Party is a party of British Nationalism, committed to the
principle of national sovereignty in all British affairs. It is pledged to the restoration
of the unity and integrity of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland. It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and
their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged
therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions
with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples.
(b) The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic
character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial
integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed
to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by
legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the
British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

(source)

And you DON'T have to be racist to vote for a racist party, if you vote for labour does that mean your a fool that wants the UK to crumble? Because thats what they do

But you do have to have white skin to be a member of the BNP, and to not be forced to leave the country if they ever came to power.

 

[deuse]

Ok, BNP opposing, white, always worked, never claimed benefits, no criminal convictions of any sort.

Your turn

So you could not prove what you said in the other post, so your just posting rubbish again.
It's a wonder you have not turned this thread into a religious one as normal. Kids pff all mouth and trousers.

 

[Neodite]

You've almost gone the whole way and defined one of the major problems of the BNP - if you don't agree with their views on race and miscegenation then there is very little point in voting for them, many of their policies are already extant in other parties who do not define people based on their race or their status as immigrants.

So why vote BNP unless it is the policies on race and miscegenation that appeal to you? Even if I agreed with the BNP's policies on certain topics (and they aren't always wrong on select topics - whether because they've claimed reasonable policies from another party as their own or they've come up with them themselves is open for debate) I still wouldn't vote for them overall because race is the issue that defines them and it is an issue that I can never agree with them on.

Your exactly right, and if they kept there personal opinions to there selves (Like most other polictions do) and spoke about how immigration is a problem due to all the reasons people have put in this thread.

Instead they are open about how they as individuals feel (I bet we would get a bigger shock if the others did it too)

What the stand for in some cases is true and right, but why they so is wrong.

 

[Dolph]

So you could not prove what you said in the other post, so your just posting rubbish again.
It's a wonder you have not turned this thread into a religious one as normal. Kids pff all mouth and trousers.

Well, I probably could, given time with the leaked membership list and time to research criminal convictions and socio-economic groupings, or we could look at the BNP supporters on the forum and compare the percentages, assuming that they are representative of the average BNP supporter and electorate...

The problem with BNP supporters is that you can't rationally argue someone out of a position that they haven't rationally argued themselves into...

 

[G1BB0]

In some ways I agree with the BNP's stance but I am not for them 100%. I will say that I do feel a lot of working class British people have opinions that as much as they feel them will never voice them!!!

wqe live in a time when if we say what we really dfeel we are a bigot, narrow minded, racist, old fashioned and so forth.... NO, we are generally thinking of number 1 and our families and our Nations future.

I havent voted in a long while and will continue not to do so as I dont agree with any parties policies on the whole whether they are BNP, Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or Monster raving Loony Party.

 

[deuse]

Snip

You had the chance, you pussed out, Embarrassing

 

[stockhausen]

Police caught on the hop . . .

Protesters demonstrating against the inclusion of BNP leader Nick Griffin on the BBC's Question Time programme have breached security and entered Television Centre. Around 25 people pushed through a security cordon and several managed to enter the building before police removed the protesters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321199.stm

 

[Dolph]

You had the chance, you pussed out, Embarrassing

Are you suggesting that the BNP are not supported most strongly by the Working classes, who are also the most likely to be involved in crime (because inequality, poor background and so on are strong contributory factors in crime)?

I'm still waiting for poll of these forums on whether BNP supporters or non-BNP supporters have criminal records, I posted mine, I can offer 1 BNP supporter on the forum who does have a criminal record in return, who else wants to play?

 

[doodah]

Surely the police knew this was going to happen? And yet the protestors still broke the line!

 

[Tefal]

snip

These "anti bnp/anti fascists" seem to be much more thuggish and fascist than the BNP ever are

 

[Chimerical]

I like how the BNP can unite so many people against it. That, I admit, is a positive trait.

 

[Neodite]

Realy? I think you would find more OAP's voting for the BNP than thugs.

I might be wrong but i find a lot of OAP's still live in the past when it comes to being racist. Thats if your still going people having to be racist ofcorse

The way i look at it, is immigrants (The larger percent) are working in the lower bracket when it comes to job, and they are doing this cheaper then people that have homes, family etc. So when they are unable to get a job due to cheaper people doing them they are going to get angry. Obviously they carn't afford to be cheaper because people already have there life styles and at the low end will already be struggling.

So they see my polish come over, apply for a job that they say they will do for cheaper and get the job.... damn mr brit has to go on the dole and is peeved because he cannot give his family what he did.

Then a party comes along and says they will kick them out (people are only just noticing them due to the press they are getting) you dont have to hate/be racist to what them gone do you?

Then again these are also people that wont take the time to do real research, they will just see a quick fix for there current problems and want it.

So ill stick by not haveing to be racist to support them.

Just a question too, is it just the immigration part that you disagree with? Or all of what they would do? (As last time i checked also people dont vote for a party becuase they belive in EVERYTHING that party will offer, else nobody would ever vote)

 

[Dolph]

Realy? I think you would find more OAP's voting for the BNP than thugs.

I might be wrong but i find a lot of OAP's still live in the past when it comes to being racist. Thats if your still going people having to be racist ofcorse

The way i look at it, is immigrants (The larger percent) are working in the lower bracket when it comes to job, and they are doing this cheaper then people that have homes, family etc. So when they are unable to get a job due to cheaper people doing them they are going to get angry. Obviously they carn't afford to be cheaper because people already have there life styles and at the low end will already be struggling.

So they see my polish come over, apply for a job that they say they will do for cheaper and get the job.... damn mr brit has to go on the dole and is peeved because he cannot give his family what he did.

Then a party comes along and says they will kick them out (people are only just noticing them due to the press they are getting) you dont have to hate/be racist to what them gone do you?

Then again these are also people that wont take the time to do real research, they will just see a quick fix for there current problems and want it.

So ill stick by not haveing to be racist to support them.

Just a question too, is it just the immigration part that you disagree with? Or all of what they would do? (As last time i checked also people dont vote for a party becuase they belive in EVERYTHING that party will offer, else nobody would ever vote)

It's the racism in their constitution that I disagree with, the party is formed, fundamentally and absolutely, on the basis that skin colour is a valid way to judge someone's value.

That belief, to me, is abhorrent.

 

[moremoney]

I have missed most of this but,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If it was 1939 would you vote BNP then?

Not forgetting that is when Hitlers Brown shirts came to power.

 

[deuse]

Are you suggesting that the BNP are not supported most strongly by the Working classes, who are also the most likely to be involved in crime (because inequality, poor background and so on are strong contributory factors in crime)?

I don't know who supports them, never met them all. Have you?
But you are saying that the Tory MPs that took all that cash that was not thiers came from a poor back ground
which in turn contributed to the crimes they did

I'm still waiting for poll of these forums on whether BNP supporters or non-BNP supporters have criminal records, I posted mine, I can offer 1 BNP supporter on the forum who does have a criminal record in return, who else wants to play?

Oh yes and add the Tory MPs as well. I mean we know they nicked the cash and got away with it.
But they don't want to pay it back aaarrrr did dums

And I am still waiting for your proof from the other post or are you going to pussy out again?

 

[SkodaMart]

It's the racism in their constitution that I disagree with, the party is formed, fundamentally and absolutely, on the basis that skin colour is a valid way to judge someone's value.

That belief, to me, is abhorrent.

It is abhorrent to you because that is what you have been brainwashed into thinking by schools and governments. The OAPs don't seem to have the same battle with their conscience.

Where you brought up with a Blackboard or a Whiteboard?
Singing Baa Baa Black Sheep or Baa Baa Rainbow sheep?
Celebrating Christmas or the Winter Holidays?
Father Christmas or a Yeti??
A Yeti was Ashton-u-Lynes Christmas display this year so as not to upset the non-Christian inhabitants.
It is not about racism, it is about protecting our beliefs and traditions and our way of life.
The line must be drawn here tonight otherwise the England we know and love is finished.

 

[deuse]

It is abhorrent to you because that is what you have been brainwashed into thinking by schools and governments. The OAPs don't seem to have the same battle with their conscience.

Where you brought up with a Blackboard or a Whiteboard?
Singing Baa Baa Black Sheep or Baa Baa Rainbow sheep?
Celebrating Christmas or the Winter Holidays?
Father Christmas or a Yeti??
A Yeti was Ashton-u-Lynes Christmas display this year so as not to upset the non-Christian inhabitants.
It is not about racism, it is about protecting our beliefs and traditions and our way of life.
The line must be drawn here tonight otherwise the England we know and love is finished.

Baa Baa Rainbow sheep? is that true?

 

[semi-pro waster]

Your exactly right, and if they kept there personal opinions to there selves (Like most other polictions do) and spoke about how immigration is a problem due to all the reasons people have put in this thread.

Instead they are open about how they as individuals feel (I bet we would get a bigger shock if the others did it too)

What the stand for in some cases is true and right, but why they so is wrong.

It's not quite the same, the BNP have made it an issue they campaign on. I don't for a second doubt that there are racists in other parties but in those other parties they are not united behind a policy on race which says that someones skin colour is a reason to judge them or restrict their rights in some way.

It is abhorrent to you because that is what you have been brainwashed into thinking by schools and governments. The OAPs don't seem to have the same battle with their conscience.

Or it's abhorrent because there is no need to judge someone based on their skin colour - there are a good many things I'd judge someone on in preference to that of their skin colour but first among them would be how they behave, in general and to me specifically.

Where you brought up with a Blackboard or a Whiteboard?
Singing Baa Baa Black Sheep or Baa Baa Rainbow sheep?
Celebrating Christmas or the Winter Holidays?
Father Christmas or a Yeti??
A Yeti was Ashton-u-Lynes Christmas display this year so as not to upset the non-Christian inhabitants.
The line must be drawn here tonight otherwise the England we know and love is finished.

Are these wholesale changes or just specific to an area? And more importantly perhaps who is stopping me from having a blackboard or a whiteboard (they are quite separate things and whiteboards with pens are more used purely as a matter of convenience I believe)? Who won't let me sing Baa Baa Black Sheep to my hypothetical child? When I am to be stopped from celebrating Christmas? Although frankly if it stops me hearing Christmas carols any time before December then I'm not sure I am entirely against the prospect.