The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Cosimo]

What category do you think I fall into?

White supremacist.

 

[Captain_Slick]

You can't correlate facism to what the Nazi's did to the jews. The fact that the Nazi's were fascists does not mean they should have commited genocide. The fact that Hitler and his cronies fed fuel on to the fire of Jewish hatred made them commit genocide, not fascism.

Fascism provided the fuel to Hitler's fire and allowed the Holocaust to happen. Fascism allowed Hitler to get into a position of absolute power.

Fascism didn't make the holocaust happen, but it did allow it to quite easily.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

Any protest vote was split between various parties like the UKIP. The BNP also had to contend with a massive anti-BNP propaganda campaign from the newspaper and television media. In spite of that they increased their % of the vote in every region.

...by around 2%. They certainly represent the voice of the nation! It's sad the BNP managed to scrape a few seats in Brussels out of this, since the funds from it will help them, what with the BNP being such a shambolic little party. With a bit of luck we will see Griffin's nasty little snout in the trough and see him abuse the MEP expenses system.

 

[dirtydog]

White supremacist.

Absolutely not.

 

[Dolph]

I was watching the results live last night, and one thing is clear, the BNP did not "win" they were voted in on apathy. They had less votes this year for the MEPs than in 2004, and less votes for the locals, yet gained a bigger percentage than the last lot due to the number of people abstaining from voting affecting the mainstream parties more than them.

It's a sad day. The BNP are a racist party. I do not care what their manifesto states, I do not care what their members publicly state. Every video, every report, every article on them has very easily scratched the surface and revealed what they really are. Fascist, racist scum.

Indeed, Labour lost 200,000 votes which didn't really go anywhere else, they just stayed at home.

 

[Doohickey]

See the difference?

Thanks Dolph, I already knew the difference, I wanted Angilion to reply as I suspect that he didn't.

 

[Captain_Slick]

We didn't learn about those things until after D-Day AFAIK.

Actually, we knew in 1942. US Intelligence had documents on what was happening with resistance movements and underground rebels as sources.

 

[Stolly]

So it is the use of the word 'breed' you have an issue with? Whites breed at a lower rate than non whites do - a factual statement. I have no idea why you are getting so upset about it

I suspect it is not, i suspect that religion, wealth and culture have more to do with this than a very simplistic view that skin colour makes you have more children.

Catholics can be from Ireland, Italy, or Mexico and traditionaly have larger families than Protestant families, this is nothing at all to do with their skin colour.

Colour is a very crude way of looking at the world. I wonder if you think different bottles of beer taste different because of the colour of the glass.

 

[Sudden]

I can name ten, this information was produced by the Department for Children, Schools and Families.

Heybrook Primary School, Rochdale
Werneth Infant School, Oldham
Greenhill Primary Schoold, Oldham
Burnley Brow Community Schoold, Oldham
Burnley Stoneyholme Community Primary School, Lancashire
Brookhouse Primary Schoold, Blackburn with Darwen
Shapla Primary School, Tower Hamlets
Smithy Street School, Tower Hamlets
St Hildas C of E Primary School, Oldham
Guru Nanak Sikh Primary School, Hillingdon

I have no wish to promote the BNP cause, but you clearly put this question thinking you were putting the bar too high for it to be answered -because these schools can't possibly exist, right?

However a quick google has allowed me to find the answer within minutes and it just goes to show that in actual fact there are schools in this country where "no pupils speak English as their first language". In addition the information I have suggests that there are over 590 schools in this country where 70% or more of the pupils don't speak English as a first language.

Again I don't wish to promote the BNP cause, but this kind of lack of integration will cause problems in the education system and in society at large. Denying it when it is so patently obvious to anyone with some common sense just adds fuel to the BNP arguments - especially when they can so easily prove they are correct in some of their assertions.

If you want to fight the BNP and at the same time improve our country so that extreme right wing groups cannot flourish, you have to do it out in the open - engage them in debate, accept their arguments and make positive, fact-based counter arguments and let the voters decide at the ballot box.

Just calling the BNP racist and ignoring their progress (and yes they have made progress in the last seven days) is sticking your head in the sand.

But the point that the other person (sorry, I forget the name) was making was that just because english wasn't there first language, does not mean they don't speak it fluently.

For example, I grew up in India. Only came here about 4 or so years back. But in my opinion my english is far better than my hindi. But given that I grew up in India, wouldn't that make hindi my first language? Assuming that it is, I am yet to find someone who is able to point out any serious flaws in my ability to speak,write or understand english. Just because it may be considered my second language, does not mean that I don't speak it fluently. And I hardly think that i'm an exception.

 

[dirtydog]

...skin colour makes you have more children.

I never said that it did. I just stated a fact that non whites breed at a vastly higher rate than whites do, in this country. The causation is irrelevant to me, the end results are what matters.

 

[Metallifux]

Fascism provided the fuel to Hitler's fire and allowed the Holocaust to happen. Fascism allowed Hitler to get into a position of absolute power.

Fascism didn't make the holocaust happen, but it did allow it to quite easily.

On the contrary, the German people who voted Hitler into power on the whole had no idea of the Genocide going on. This is a classic case of why politics and religion should be mutually exclusive. Hitler and his Aryan obsession and let's take George W Bush always claiming to be doing God's work.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

Absolutely not.

You're not very honest on this forum are you?

 

[Moley]

I was watching the results live last night, and one thing is clear, the BNP did not "win" they were voted in on apathy. They had less votes this year for the MEPs than in 2004, and less votes for the locals, yet gained a bigger percentage than the last lot due to the number of people abstaining from voting affecting the mainstream parties more than them .

I'm sorry but that is just daft. The BNP did "win" - they did what was required to win, they got a larger percentage of the vote than their opponents.

Every single election has varying amounts of votes, varying percentages going to each party and large amounts of people abstaining. Next election time if the BNP lose will you allow them to say the other won on voter apathy? No of course you won't.

If we do not accept that they won legitimately by taking the largest share of the vote, then we are failing in our duty to recognise that we the people choose who wins these things and that tens of thousands of ordinary members of the public voted them into their seats!

 

[dirtydog]

You're not very honest on this forum are you?

Read any of my posts on Stormfront if you wish (guests can search there) - I am not a white supremacist. I don't think whites are any better or worse than any other race. I respect the rights of all races to exist and prosper.

 

[Captain_Slick]

On the contrary, the German people who voted Hitler into power on the whole had no idea of the Genocide going on. This is a classic case of why politics and religion should be mutually exclusive. Hitler and his Aryan obsession and let's take George W Bush always claiming to be doing God's work.

What's that got to do with anything? I never said Fascism had absolute clarity. Whether the German public knew or not is irrelevant to my point.

 

[Captain_Slick]

Read any of my posts on Stormfront if you wish (guests can search there) - I am not a white supremacist. I don't think whites are any better or worse than any other race. I respect the rights of all races to exist and prosper.

You just don't want them to mix or have to get involved with any of the other races, do you? Sure thing.

 

[Sankari]

I can name ten, this information was produced by the Department for Children, Schools and Families.

Heybrook Primary School, Rochdale
Werneth Infant School, Oldham
Greenhill Primary Schoold, Oldham
Burnley Brow Community Schoold, Oldham
Burnley Stoneyholme Community Primary School, Lancashire
Brookhouse Primary Schoold, Blackburn with Darwen
Shapla Primary School, Tower Hamlets
Smithy Street School, Tower Hamlets
St Hildas C of E Primary School, Oldham
Guru Nanak Sikh Primary School, Hillingdon

Thanks for the info. Are these all state schools?

I have no wish to promote the BNP cause, but you clearly put this question thinking you were putting the bar too high for it to be answered -because these schools can't possibly exist, right?

Well no, I deliberately set the bar low, so nobody could argue that I wasn't being fair. Six schools out of the UK's many thousands is hardly a big ask, is it?

However a quick google has allowed me to find the answer within minutes and it just goes to show that in actual fact there are schools in this country where "no pupils speak English as their first language". In addition the information I have suggests that there are over 590 schools in this country where 70% or more of the pupils don't speak English as a first language.

Thanks again. It's good to know that these pupils speak English, isn't it?

Again I don't wish to promote the BNP cause, but this kind of lack of integration will cause problems in the education system and in society at large. Denying it when it is so patently obvious to anyone with some common sense just adds fuel to the BNP arguments - especially when they can so easily prove they are correct in some of their assertions.

Yes, I completely agree. Lack of integration is the single largest problem faced by the UK's belated attempts to embrace multiculturalism. It will remain an ongoing and increasingly large problem unless it is met directly with significant action. You are preaching to the choir, believe me!

If you want to fight the BNP and at the same time improve our country so that extreme right wing groups cannot flourish, you have to do it out in the open - engage them in debate, accept their arguments and make positive, fact-based counter arguments and let the voters decide at the ballot box.

Just calling the BNP racist and ignoring their progress (and yes they have made progress in the last seven days) is sticking your head in the sand.

Again, I totally agree.

 

[Metallifux]

What's that got to do with anything? I never said Fascism had absolute clarity. Whether the German public knew or not is irrelevant to my point.

No we are talking about fascism as a policy the original discussion started about WW2 being about fighting fascism, I said it wasn't. The problem is because the Nazi's were fascist's all fascism is tarred with the same brush which is unfair whether you like the policy or not.

 

[dirtydog]

Yes, I completely agree. Lack of integration is the single largest problem faced by the UK's belated attempts to embrace multiculturalism.

Eh? We are one of the most multicultural countries in the world. Multiculturalism and integration are mutually exclusive. If they have their own culture, by definition they haven't integrated into ours.

 

[uv]

Absolutely not.

Nope although I do consider Poles beneath me.