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alt and tabbing is more of a ram issue i would have thought although the gpu does play a part too due to switch of 3d states on and off during the switching.
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The AMD Driver Thread
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Really for a 1 point upgrade from 20.2.1? If going from 19.x.x I would agree. Will give it a go if happens again. I'm on z390 so no issues with chipset drivers.
Yeah it's not a normal game playing scenario so other factors could be at play. I did get one black screen on the previous driver in the month it was installed so time will tell if this is any worse
Soldato
Better safe than sorry.
Consider time wasted if having issue, than the minutes takes to use DDU
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A lot of fixes in these drivers.
I know right. But listening to you and Panos one would think there was nothing to fix
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It's a pain in the ass though as need to reset up all global settings and game profiles again. If DDU is necessary for every driver update then it really is time to give up on AMD.Better safe than sorry.
Consider time wasted if having issue, than the minutes takes to use DDU
Had 5 hours of trouble free borderlands after that alt tab black screen although the artefacting is still there with the one particular gun. It only occurs when in a major fire fight with lots of movement. Could be a game bug of course but not seeing it being complained about on the forums. So 20.2.2 is a meh for me: no better, no worse
Soldato
Does AMD's own cleanup utility provide a happy medium between updates?
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Does the same and wipes all personalised settings I'm sure.
Edit: plus its optional not mandatory so not even AMD see it as necessary
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AMD have been taking my advice again
and seem to have elongated their sprint cycles and now hopefully taking more time to test their changes, rather than dumping weekly fixes that cause as many new issues as the defects resolved. Let's hope it's enough to quell the disillusionists
I think I've used DDU twice in the last 3 years, and I install every driver right over the old one and load the old profile up. I think a couple of times I've used the AMD clean install setting, but then load the old settings up again.
Are you sure the problem isn't something else, or maybe the fact that you use DDU all the time? There have been reports it can cause issues, especially when new versions lag behind any changes made in the AMD drivers/install package.
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I've only used DDU when switching between 19 and 20 driver versions on the back of recommendations on this forum. I dont use it for incremental releases. I am sceptical about letting 3rd party apps tinker around with another app's settings in my registry. Like you say, there's a good chance stuff gets missed as AMD drivers evolve and their architecture changes. I would have thought AMDs own built in removal tool is more reliable since they know their architecture better than anyone, you'd hope anyway
Soldato
Better safe than sorry.
Consider time wasted if having issue, than the minutes takes to use DDU
Guys honestly they is no need for DDU anymore.
Built into the amd drivers is a clean up that you can either start fresh =DDU or a keep settings and fresh install the driver or just install over the top.
Not used DDU for ages I would now only use that if I was changing to Nvidia or upgrading to a new GPU.
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Well I tested and still the same stability issue. This time was just a total system hang, no black screen, no TDR driver reset, no bugcheck.
Is pretty much 100% repeatable (though random in how long it takes) by playing Endless Legends and having Twitch playing on the second screen, using Firefox.
Display 1 : 1440p/144Hz/Freesync/DP
Display 2 : 1080p/120Hz/DP
Display 3 : HDMI Connected to Yamaha amp for audio, using 'Dolby Atmos for home theatre'. 1080p/60Hz/HDMI
^ on previous drivers I had tested switching audio to a sound card (STX II) and various different High def audio drivers for the HDMI but all had the same issues.
I used to get that with my system. Was not drivers though as a bios update fixed it. Was when my system was new and kept happening for 6-8 months. It would happen mostly while watching twitch.
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I agree with you. DDU has its place as part of a diagnose and fix process but I wouldn't just do it as a matter of course. It's personal preference of course. If folks swear by it then who am I to say they are wrong?
I hardly ever use DDU. For AMD drivers I install over the top or do the fresh install. When switching from AMD to Nvida or vice versa I do a clean install of windows.
Soldato
Yeah.. so back to my sentence above, are you using the AMD utility as I dont use DDU and have no issues? All I see is people recommending a DDU or windows wipe which is a bit overkill like cutting off hand as you have a bad finger.
Soldato
Yeah, I use it but like TNA above sometimes just install over the top (I would not do the latter if I was having issues as I seen some driver versions old settings stick).
Do you mean GPU or mobo bios? afaik I'm about as up to date as can be, my Vega64 is a reference model and tbh my mobo is pretty old now.
But saying that I have been doing more testing today, first I noticed that my profile GPU voltage settings now seem to be applying ok.
Not sure why it's ok today but will keep an eye on it.
Also played some more Endless Legends and it seems 'fixed' for now. Stupidly, even though I'd read the release notes and saw the know issue related to Enhanced Sync I actually had it enabled. I guess I just did my normal driver settings when going through them all and just put it on by default as I'm so used to doing so.
One thing I have noticed though is that the Twitch streams on the second monitor now seem to have more issues, as in the video will skip frames or randomly pause with the sound continuing to work ok.
Guessing this is to do with what ever fix or workaround they've put in place to catch and stop what ever the issue was that was causing the crashes previously.
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Do you mean GPU or mobo bios? afaik I'm about as up to date as can be, my Vega64 is a reference model and tbh my mobo is pretty old now.
But saying that I have been doing more testing today, first I noticed that my profile GPU voltage settings now seem to be applying ok.
Not sure why it's ok today but will keep an eye on it.
Also played some more Endless Legends and it seems 'fixed' for now. Stupidly, even though I'd read the release notes and saw the know issue related to Enhanced Sync I actually had it enabled. I guess I just did my normal driver settings when going through them all and just put it on by default as I'm so used to doing so.
One thing I have noticed though is that the Twitch streams on the second monitor now seem to have more issues, as in the video will skip frames or randomly pause with the sound continuing to work ok.
Guessing this is to do with what ever fix or workaround they've put in place to catch and stop what ever the issue was that was causing the crashes previously.
Was my motherboard bios, the 2700x i bought was only months old at the time and was having issues with black screens on desktop and games. Each new bios would improve things until eventually it just became stable with no issues. My Vega 64 has been pretty bullet proof for the year and a half i have had it. I use a dual monitor setup as well with a 4k main and 1200p second and its never really been a problem. I don't really tinker to much to see if there are issues in the UI. My card is a Red Devil and all i have done is reduce the voltage to keep fans speeds in check.
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There is, even AMD themselves are saying to use it.