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The AMD Driver Thread

Firegod said:
I get why people might want FSR4 on older hardware but if we stop and think about it, what happens if it does work but you get a 15% (random figure) perf loss or greater (game dependent). Would people use it? "Hey, we've back ported this great feature for you but oh yeah you are going to have less performance." Last time I checked people don't want less FPS they want more. Praising Nvidia for releasing DLSS4.5 for working on older models when it means losing on average 5-12% perf (but can be up to 30%). Thanks but no thanks. That's not a good news story.
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From my testing FSR 4 on RDNA3 is 10% slower than FSR3, but still faster than native and with a massively better image quality vs FSR3.

To give you an example, RX 7800XT in cyberpunk 1440P with the highest setting and RT on Psycho with FSR4 on balanced its 50 FPS, with Native AA is 23 FPS.

FSR3 is just bad, its really bad, it doesn't need to be bad RDNA3 and 2 are capable of running upscaling tech with image quality just as good as DLSS 3 if not even a little better, IMO AMD were just too lazy to give us proper compute driven upscaling, until now that is and what they are doing is locking behind RDNA4.
 
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humbug said:
From my testing FSR 4 on RDNA3 is 10% slower than FSR3, but still faster than native and with a massively better image quality vs FSR3.

To give you an example, RX 7800XT in cyberpunk 1440P with the highest setting and RT on Psycho with FSR4 on balanced its 50 FPS, with Native AA is 23 FPS.

FSR3 is just bad, its really bad, it doesn't need to be bad RDNA3 and 2 are capable of running upscaling tech with image quality just as good as DLSS 3 if not even a little better, IMO AMD were just too lazy to give us proper compute driven upscaling, until now that is and what they are doing is locking behind RDNA4.
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I remember trying FSR 2 or was it 3 on Resident Evil 4 Remake and was like what is this? As soon as you modded in DLSS the difference was night and day.

DLSS alone makes it worth going Nvidia imo. AMD don't want to learn. Always late and not doing enough, for me anyway.

Now I can even use DLSS Ultra Performance for even more fps if I need. Not tried it but based on what I have read it good.

Before people like Firegod lose their **** about my post and try and lebel me an Nvidia fan boy, please check my post history. Have had loads of AMD GPUs. I gave them benefit of the doubt and kept buying their cards even when nvidia were ahead. But eventually you just realise, they are not your friend and you are not a charity. They need to do a lot more if they want to earn my money. Right now they are far away from it. Which is a shame.
 
Like I've said before I just don't get how bad the Radeon division is just feels like almost every time they have a chance of of getting some really good PR and press coverage they just mess it up almost every time.

It's like they are stood in front of an open goal and instead of tapping the ball in to the back of the net they panic and welly it in to the crowd
 
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TNA said:
No one forces you to use it. You give people an option..
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This is very true, but on this forum if this happened and AMD gave people the option, would it be well received or what is more likely, the usual sharks circling to post something negative will jump in and say they've released something pointless due to the FPS hit. Just like I pointed out about DLSS4.5 being back ported. I agree and all for giving people options but they have to be beneficial. The way I see it there are two reasons. First, they are holding off in order to sell 9000 series cards. Makes sense, you need a USP. Or, they aren't happy with the performance and don't want to release it. Or somewhere in the middle. :)
 
humbug said:
From my testing FSR 4 on RDNA3 is 10% slower than FSR3, but still faster than native and with a massively better image quality vs FSR3.

To give you an example, RX 7800XT in cyberpunk 1440P with the highest setting and RT on Psycho with FSR4 on balanced its 50 FPS, with Native AA is 23 FPS.

FSR3 is just bad, its really bad, it doesn't need to be bad RDNA3 and 2 are capable of running upscaling tech with image quality just as good as DLSS 3 if not even a little better, IMO AMD were just too lazy to give us proper compute driven upscaling, until now that is and what they are doing is locking behind RDNA4.
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Thanks for this. So in that one game, we're seeing a 10% performance hit on RDNA3. What were the 1% lows like? Without knowing other game engines and titles we could see, similar to DLSS4.5, up to 20% loss. Suppose that is not out of the realms of possibility. I just don't see how that can be sold as a good thing. But hey, if it were released I'm sure I might try it out but I honestly can't take more FPS hits with my current 6900XT at 4k. I'm already leaning more on upscaling and frame gen with game settings on a med/high mix. If I slapped on FSR4 with a further ~10% hit (or greater hit on RDNA2) as I've been saying, it just isn't going to work. Really can't see why people want that.
 
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Firegod said:
Thanks for this. So in that one game, we're seeing a 10% performance hit on RDNA3. What were the 1% lows like? Without knowing other game engines and titles we could see, similar to DLSS4.5, up to 20% loss. Suppose that is not out of the realms of possibility. I just don't see how that can be sold as a good thing. But hey, if it were released I'm sure I might try it out but I honestly can't take more FPS hits with my current 6900XT at 4k. I'm already leaning more on upscaling and frame gen with game settings on a med/high mix. If I slapped on FSR4 with a further ~10% hit (or greater hit on RDNA2) as I've been saying, it just isn't going to work. Really can't see why people want that.
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Remember that's a 10% hit compared to FSR 3 at the same FSR setting but it's still running a lot faster than native and with much better image quality compared to FSR3 so you could possibly offset any performance loss with FSR 4 by running it 1 setting lower than you would using FSR 2 or 3 and still get around the same FPS but still with better image quality than you would using the older FSR versions.
 
Firegod said:
I don't care, hence why I don't go posting in the Nvidia drivers thread. :confused: I'm trying to convey that a) it's not as rosy as people make it out, and b) they can change easily vendor if they are not happy with how AMD release updates. It seems that people instead find it easier to post replies to then stir up the usual responses. It's literally the same people every time. And some of the people don't even own an AMD card. They literally just can't help themselves. They must sit shaking at their desk waiting for a reason to post and then exhale as if releasing some inner demon. They need help!
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Agree the amd forums on reddit are full of it
 
Bodom said:
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You don't need OptiScaler.

Make a backup of the modified 'amd_fidelityfx_upscaler_dx12.dll' FSR file and rename it 'amd_fidelityfx_dx12.dll'

Rename the original 'amd_fidelityfx_dx12.dll' file in the Cyberpunk X64 folder 'amd_fidelityfx_dx12.old' to back it up and drag drop the renamed modified .dll in to that X64 folder replacing the original.

That's all you have to do, that will give you the FSR4 option on RX 7000 series GPU's in the Cyberpunk settings menu.

On image quality at 1440P the image quality is very noticeably better using Performance in FSR4 vs Quality mode FSR3.

Edit: before you do this make sure FSR is off in Cyberpunk, login, turn it off, log out, go....

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You know what really ******* me off?

AMD's reasoning for FSR4 is that only RDNA4 has FP8 compute, that is true, however.... both RDNA2 and RDNA3 have Int8 and the leaked version runs on Int8, so AMD have developed an Int8 version of FSR.

You know what else runs on Int8? DLSS3, the RTX 3000 series also didn't have FP8, it had Int8 and that's what DLSS3 ran on.

FSR could have been as good as DLSS3 as far back as RDNA2, RX 6000 series.

Why didn't AMD make a proper DLSS3 competitor in 2020? more than 5 years ago, they could have been, i think, in a more competitive position today.

This is the sort of crap where i just despair at AMD.
 
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Anyone running a 9070xt in arc raiders. I've just moved from a rtx3080 and it's given me a nice little boost at 4k balanced and i think FSR 4 has kicked in after ticking the box in the AMD software BUT the menus are really sluggish - if i change the framerate limit it freezes for ages - to the point where i think it's crashed... can anyone help me out?

Edit - I'm on. The latest drivers 25.12.1

This is my main/only game at the moment so would love to get this sorted ASAP.

FSR 4 looking very clean BTW
 
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BS Dave said:
Anyone running a 9070xt in arc raiders. I've just moved from a rtx3080 and it's given me a nice little boost at 4k balanced and i think FSR 4 has kicked in after ticking the box in the AMD software BUT the menus are really sluggish - if i change the framerate limit it freezes for ages - to the point where i think it's crashed... can anyone help me out?

Edit - I'm on. The latest drivers 25.12.1

This is my main/only game at the moment so would love to get this sorted ASAP.

FSR 4 looking very clean BTW
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Yeah I am running a 9070xt with arc raiders. Only running at 1440p but no issues my side in menus
 
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