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michty_me · 2025-02-26T12:03:13+0000

Some more information from the same person I posted about before. This person claims to be in close contact with someone who has access to 9070 and 9070XT for reviews:

Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)

9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)

Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)

9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)

And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)

9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)

PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)

Here you go, some numbers from a review sample OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true

Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX.

Edit, They have also stated prices have been discussed with a retailer and going for $549/$649 as per my previous post on this.

Tinek · 2025-02-26T12:26:35+0000

Joxeon said:
Look at ryzen where AMD launched a R5 1600 for $200 which had 50% more cores and outperformed Intels flagship $370 7700k in MT.

It took a few generations of good value releases but once AMD increased market and mind share they have been able to jack the price and people will buy them regardless.

Exactly, they will be complaint even if they release them relatively cheap this time but they simply need to endure, do their thing, improve gen on gen and be relatively cheap. That doesn't mean exactly 30% or some other silly arbitrary number. But most of all, they have to be in stock!

that's the biggest Nvidia problem - not pricing as such (as that's just the outcome) but no availability, which drives prices up. And seems to be done artificially by NVIDIA.

platypus · 2025-02-26T12:28:22+0000

Grim5 said:
I don't agree, but if it was true then amd should just shut its doors, because if it can't get sales as a premium brand and can't get sales as a value or budget based brand then its basically screwed and they're just wasting investors money

Well, shut down the gfx department for sure, but the processors are doing pretty well aren't they?

platypus · 2025-02-26T12:31:00+0000

Thekwango said:
to be fair at my age now, cola and fishing tackle is probably about all the excitement i can handle. real coke and hookers would be wasted on me, i'd be in bed by 10pm!

Wow, you think you'd last past 8pm?

Thekwango · 2025-02-26T12:32:04+0000

platypus said:
Wow, you think you'd last past 8pm?

i'm being hopeful!

Jono8 · 2025-02-26T12:33:59+0000

Tinek said:
MSRP = manufacturer's suggested retail price. How does that fit at all what you just stated? All Nvidia said is "AIB are offering them for at least $749" (as Nvidia doesn't have FE version themselves). MSRP is a specific price that Nvidia would say this is how much it should cost at retail. Completely different things.

It is what always puzzles me - how can people and media confuse it, as this is clearly not a MSRP at all. Looking closely, Nvidia didn't show MSRP for any card for years now, if it's not their own FE model. There's no MSRP for 5070Ti and the FE models aren't MSRP either, as they are just Nvidia pricing for specific FE cards (that aren't in general retail stores anyway, Nvidia sells them directly). None of that fits MSRP definition.

Yes, we should complain about cards being too expensive but bringing up arbitrary pricing that never was actually a thing set in stone is bit silly IMHO - these prices are fluctuating and changing depending on the market at a given time (supply and demand). And what really matter is that it actually cost in stores at any given time.

I think you are confusing release price gouging and actual prices.

The 4xxx series has a silly opening few months too, but eventually cards were readily available for Nvidias stated MSRP.

There is no point paying attention to current prices unless you have severe FOMO and can't stand to wait a few months.

kieran_read · 2025-02-26T12:39:20+0000

michty_me said:
Some more information from the same person I posted about before. This person claims to be in close contact with someone who has access to 9070 and 9070XT for reviews:

Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)

9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)

Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)

9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)

And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)

9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)

PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)

Here you go, some numbers from a review sample OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true

Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX.

Edit, They have also stated prices have been discussed with a retailer and going for $549/$649 as per my previous post on this.

If that would put the 9070xt 629-649 in the UK.

That would be a decent value i think 599 would be better purely because "under 600" sounds a lot better.

I'd be content with 650 i don't know if it will move mountains, but if AMD can keep up with the stock it could prove to be very successful for them.

Tinek · 2025-02-26T12:41:36+0000

Jono8 said:
I think you are confusing release price gouging and actual prices.

The 4xxx series has a silly opening few months too, but eventually cards were readily available for Nvidias stated MSRP.

I'm not confusing anything, I'm saying not only it's not MSRP stated but that it's also meaningless - only how much something cost in a store matter. Prices can go up and down at any point, competition should be a pressure down on all of them but currently they only go up (at least on Nvidia own side of things). There's hope AMD will finally create a proper competition.

Tinek · 2025-02-26T12:44:23+0000

kieran_read said:
If that would put the 9070xt 629-649 in the UK.

That would be a decent value i think 599 would be better purely because "under 600" sounds a lot better.

I'd be content with 650 i don't know if it will move mountains, but if AMD can keep up with the stock it could prove to be very successful for them.

Cards can always be cheaper, the cheaper the better (unless it really starts influencing quality and value negatively). But as long as it's reasonable, and most of all, in stock (otherwise scalpers will destroy the value), it would be a progress and down pressure on Nvidia.

michty_me · 2025-02-26T12:46:38+0000

kieran_read said:
If that would put the 9070xt 629-649 in the UK.

That would be a decent value i think 599 would be better purely because "under 600" sounds a lot better.

I'd be content with 650 i don't know if it will move mountains, but if AMD can keep up with the stock it could prove to be very successful for them.

He did also state that he is hearing rumours of retailers pushing prices up into €800 area though for release due to the current ongoing scalping and Nvidia shortages.

Murphy · 2025-02-26T13:24:00+0000

Looks like AMD has confirmed the specs...

Final specifications of AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 GPUs leaked - VideoCardz.com

AMD Navi 48 GPU powering RX 9070 series has 357 mm² and 53.9B transistors Set to power next-gen AMD gaming PCs. AMD has confirmed the full specifications of the Radeon RX 9070 series. Both Radeon RX 9070 cards, launching next month, are equipped with the same Navi 48 GPU, featuring 53.9 billion...

videocardz.com

welshrat · 2025-02-26T13:32:20+0000

michty_me said:
Some more information from the same person I posted about before. This person claims to be in close contact with someone who has access to 9070 and 9070XT for reviews:

Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)

9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)

Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)

9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)

And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)

9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)

PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)

Here you go, some numbers from a review sample OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true

Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX.

Edit, They have also stated prices have been discussed with a retailer and going for $549/$649 as per my previous post on this.

Well that is incredibly positive and if true means I can stay with AMD again.

Armageus · 2025-02-26T13:35:23+0000

Murphy said:
Looks like AMD has confirmed the specs...

Final specifications of AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 GPUs leaked - VideoCardz.com

AMD Navi 48 GPU powering RX 9070 series has 357 mm² and 53.9B transistors Set to power next-gen AMD gaming PCs. AMD has confirmed the full specifications of the Radeon RX 9070 series. Both Radeon RX 9070 cards, launching next month, are equipped with the same Navi 48 GPU, featuring 53.9 billion...

videocardz.com

from the comments there

FredFlint · 2025-02-26T13:39:16+0000

PCIe gen 5, I think that's a good thing (if it is) as I could drop it to 8x and use my second gen 5 m.2 slot at some point.

Ayahuasca · 2025-02-26T13:42:16+0000

GhostDog1981 · 2025-02-26T13:47:12+0000

Jono8 said:
That would be hilarious.

"Here's basically a 7900xtx with 8gb less vram for the same price!"

AMD can get stuffed if that's the real price.

Exactly what I was saying earlier. You could have had a XTX for £670 in November with numerous deals.

Offering the same performance with 8gb less vram for a similar price is funny

gpuerrilla · 2025-02-26T13:47:42+0000

Besty · 2025-02-26T14:02:30+0000

michty_me said:
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true

They have also stated prices have been discussed with a retailer and going for $549/$649 as per my previous post on this.

@humbug be like:

Besty · 2025-02-26T14:07:30+0000

mahius said:
From where? Source? Also 2.1a doesn't mean much by itself, since it covers a variety of bandwidths now. I.e need to know if it's UHBR13.5 like the previous GPUs or UHBR20, like the Nvidia 5000 series. AMD were trying to rub in the DP2.1 in Nvidia's face last gen, it would be silly of them to

AMD official Spec sheet:

HDMI 2.1b
DisplayPort 2.1a UHBR13.5

michty_me · 2025-02-26T14:09:01+0000

All with large pinches of salt remember, Just some random internet guy who claims to be able to get these results through a reviewer friend in Spain. He also posted about the 5080 only being about 10% faster than a 4080 last year but got slated in the NVidia subreddit but here we are.

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