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ICDP said:
At those prices it converts to $599 for the XT and $539 for the non XT.

XT if trading blows with a 70Ti, that is a big win. You would be paying 25% more for similar performance for the Nvidia GPU. It will be even more massive if there is enough stock for that to be a realistic price for the base models.

The non XT seems like a missed trick and I assume would miss the 20% better price perf over a 5070, if all the perf leaks for both GPUs are accurate. But it should be noted that the 9070 does have 4GB more VRAM (no GDDR 7 won’t make a difference). Though getting under that $500 price point on the 9070 would have been massive.

$539 for the 9070 is so so and just too close to the 5070 expected price/perf but the extra VRAM helps a bit. Seems like they are upselling people to the XT and to be fair, I can understand why because $599 is a genuinely great price for the level of performance.
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AMD always does this though and price the lower performing card worse, 7900XT vs 7900XTX, 7800XT vs 7700XT for example both the lower models had worse price to performance.
 
Raelgun said:
Though I don't like the connector, I think it's only an issue with cards that nearly max the capacity of it.

It's kinda why the 4070ti is problem free or close to
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Consensus is the 16 pin is less of a problem if you stay under 360watts and the Saphire card is 320w so it leaves a good margin for safety
 
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I'm not sure I like the location of the power connector on the Nitro+. I can see it might be nice for vertical mounting but for horizontal mounting that seems to have the cable exiting right into the motherboard (or motherboard tray). Also, since it's one of the new connectors I'm hoping they'll supply an adaptor cable like the Nvidia cards have, but how is this going to work, are you now going to have to connect 3 x 8-pin connectors on that side of the card? Doesn't seem like there's a lot of room to be messing about with adaptors.

Also, what's the difference between the PULSE and PURE cards? Is it just the colour? I'm not keen on having another PULSE card so was thinking of trying the PURE (given the above concerns about the Nitro+), but if they're basically the same card with a different colour I might need to re-think that.
Don't think I've ever had an XFX but I have vague memories of them making cheepo Nvidia cards back in the day (or am I mis-remembering) so I tend to avoid them.
What's the other option, Powercolor? What are they like in general? I think I might have had some reference design Powercolor cards in the past. Anyone have any pictures/links for their 9000 series cards?

EDIT: Sorry, found the Powercolor cards, was looking for links to the XFX cards.
 
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
I'm not sure I like the location of the power connector on the Nitro+. I can see it might be nice for vertical mounting but for horizontal mounting that seems to have the cable exiting right into the motherboard (or motherboard tray). Also, since it's one of the new connectors I'm hoping they'll supply an adaptor cable like the Nvidia cards have, but how is this going to work, are you now going to have to connect 3 x 8-pin connectors on that side of the card? Doesn't seem like there's a lot of room to be messing about with adaptors.

Also, what's the difference between the PULSE and PURE cards? Is it just the colour? I'm not keen on having another PULSE card so was thinking of trying the PURE (given the above concerns about the Nitro+), but if they're basically the same card with a different colour I might need to re-think that.
Don't think I've ever had an XFX but I have vague memories of them making cheepo Nvidia cards back in the day (or am I mis-remembering) so I tend to avoid them.
What's the other option, Powercolor? What are they like in general? I think I might have had some reference design Powercolor cards in the past. Anyone have any pictures/links for their 9000 series cards?
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Yeah pure is just a white version of the pulse
 
I had a 6700xt from powercolor. Was spot on. Now I'm asrock and also spot on. I think this time round I'll go sapphire nitro+ or asrock taichi. I actually want the new connector. :p I am looking forward to undervolting and seeing how it affects fps/noise/wattage.
 
Rvf-Stu said:
This connector put me off the sapphire card as well however looking at their product page it lists that they have fuse protection on the connector. Is this what was missing on nvidia cards? https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/nitro-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16g-gddr6

Also I think the much lower power draw makes this an ok solution here?
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Was thinking about the fuse protection, so what does this mean, that the fuse goes pop instead of one of the components?
The graphics card would still be dead though right? It's still need to be RMA'd?
 
Rvf-Stu said:
This connector put me off the sapphire card as well however looking at their product page it lists that they have fuse protection on the connector. Is this what was missing on nvidia cards? https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/nitro-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16g-gddr6

Also I think the much lower power draw makes this an ok solution here?
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What Nvidia was missing is resistors on each of the 12v pins to current balance. The Saphire card seems to have two fuses on the 12v circuit, so I suspect what Saphire is referring to is not resistors but instead its fuses for if the card detects an issue on the circuit, the fuses will cause the pc to shutdown. So the Saphire design is likely more like what Asus did with their 5090 but Saphire also added a shutdown mechanism
 
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Joxeon said:
AMD always does this though and price the lower performing card worse, 7900XT vs 7900XTX, 7800XT vs 7700XT for example both the lower models had worse price to performance.
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I suspect people will still pick the 5070 over the 9070 , even though it looks like it'll be noticeably faster in raster , just behind in RT but does have 16gb
 
uscool said:
I suspect people will still pick the 5070 over the 9070 , even though it looks like it'll be noticeably faster in raster , just behind in RT but does have 16gb
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This is why I think it needs to be actually cheaper by at least 10%. Give people that “pause for thought” to think maybe I’ll research this.
 
Flipping heck, they delivered the wrong thing.... wanted a 9070 XT

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