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Hedge said:
They are meant to be more capable as time goes on though.
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Of course - as this one is, in a lower card tier than the comparator I used.
Joxeon said:
A 9070XT is 63% faster than a 4 year old 6800 according to TPU, for reference the 6800 on launch was 92% faster than a GTX1080
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Exactly, 63% more performance for significantly less cost.
 
ICDP said:
But that’s were we partly disagree and again you are basing that on personal opinion (and the tech press are on my side here). The 9070 and 9070 XT are genuinely good GPUs with much improved features and MSRP* prices that are good on their own merits.
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It's basically a 7800 XT with a newer GPU and they are being sold at the maximum AMD can get away with before people just buy a 5070 Ti instead. All this launch has proven is that AMD are every bit as profit driven as NVidia are and yet there are still people who think they are some kind of people's champion. What reason did AMD have to launch a high end GPU to replace the 7900 series when so many people are willing pay 7900 series prices for their 7800 series replacement?
 
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mmj_uk said:
I still think that AMD will launch a replacement to the 7900 series when people have finished paying insane prices for their 7800 series replacement.
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They might, but it would probably just be a card with more VRAM and higher clock speeds, priced around the £800 mark, so not really anything to write home about.
 
mmj_uk said:
It's basically a 7800 XT with a newer GPU and they are being sold at the maximum AMD can get away with before people just buy a 5070 Ti instead. All this launch has proven is that AMD are every bit as profit driven as NVidia are and yet there are still people who think they are some kind of people's champion. What reason did AMD have to launch a high end GPU to replace the 7900 series when so many people are willing pay 7900 series prices for their 7800 series replacement?
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The 9070XT beats a 7900XT in raster and a 7900XTX in RT at £600. I can't see the issue tbh.

It's delivered more performance at a lower price point, something that had been almost forgotten.

I'd love to see what a 9090XT could do.
 
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
Could the same not have been said of the 7900GRE compared to the 6900XT and 6950XT though?
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Indeed - which means that AMD have done it twice comparatively recently, in the 7900 GRE's case within the same card class, in the 9070's case what can be argued to be with cards two classes above.
 
ChosenName said:
Indeed - which means that AMD have done it twice comparatively recently, in the 7900 GRE's case within the same card class, in the 9070's case what can be argued to be with cards two classes above.
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Isn't that just a naming thing though? Want the 9070XT compared as though it was the 7900GRE replacement competing against the Nvidia 70 tier cards?
 
Ayahuasca said:
That's not overlooked, it was obvious they couldn't just come out with a cheaper 7900-type product, and we knew they were working on FSR4 and improving RT performance, that was an absolute must.

The point was that if nVidia had released the 5070ti with availability and/or a price close to $700, these AMD products wouldn't have sold anywhere near as well. It's easy to win back some mind/market share when your competitor leaves the door wide open like that. We'll see over the next year or so if it's sustainable.
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Well again the fact it has got better RT and upscaling was in doubt until it was reviewed. Similarly we can’t introduce arbitrary maybes and what ifs about what Nvidia could have done.

The 5000 series is poorly reviewed and priced compared to the 9000 series. Sorry but that’s a fact and what ifs won’t change that.
 
ICDP said:
Well again the fact it has got better RT and upscaling was in doubt until it was reviewed. Similarly we can’t introduce arbitrary maybes and what ifs about what Nvidia could have done.

The 5000 series is poorly reviewed and priced compared to the 9000 series. Sorry but that’s a fact and what ifs won’t change that.
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It was never in doubt that RT and upscaling would be improved, how much was the only question. We can introduce those as it partly explains why AMD have done so well and why it may look amazing on the surface.

There are many examples on this forum of people introducing arbitrary (not really arbitrary) maybes and what ifs regarding AMD without question. I never argued against the fact the 9000 series have reviewed better than the 5000 series, though again the 5000 series didn't get poor reviews across the board, you'll still find plenty of reviews and ratings even from those who aren't nVidia shills that are favourable, 4 stars out of 5, etc.

I'm not sure what the problem is here, as I was simply explaining why I could see some people considering it an amazing launch, not arguing that it absolutely wasn't. It was a very strong launch and the only question I would have about calling it amazing would be the availability of the cards at MSRP.
 
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
Isn't that just a naming thing though? Want the 9070XT compared as though it was the 7900GRE replacement competing against the Nvidia 70 tier cards?
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While it was compared to the 7900 GRE I'm not sure it was intended to be considered a replacement for it, could be though.

With respect to shaders and TMUs it looks to sit between 6800 and 6800 XT or between the 7800 XT and the 7900 GRE.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I think that's a bit of a stretch, while some seem to be having problems, there are others like me on a 5080 who have had almost no problems. The only thing I've had is a black screen during installation, and turning my monitor off and on fixed it.

They've definitely dropped the ball on them, but it's still a minority that are experiencing issues that are affecting their ability to actually use their cards properly.
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I think the reason the drivers are being brought up so much is that Nvidia typically used to be the relative gold standard; they had bugs, but rarely was it as bad as now (albeit I've seen bad bugs before, especially on the mobile side, so I'm not someone proclaiming they were perfect). This is why its coming out as worse than normal; as these issues, whilst a minority are a striking difference to the marketshare perception people have of Nvidia's drivers; and its coupling with all the other negative mindshare impacts the 5000 series is having.

AMD by contrast were typically seen by the wider market as having very problematic software, which they seem to have made big strides towards improving; and by contrast we've heard from many reviewers and users that the drivers are actually extremely stable for release drivers; albeit as is always the case there are some bugs and issues in some niche cases.

I mean, I've been using a mobile 4080 (so a downclocked 4070ti) and a 3080 this last year; and even I've noticed the drivers have not been as good, more stutters or bugs, compared to where they used to be a year or two ago; probably not helped by the fact the new Nvidia App, whilst a good idea; is functionally broken at times; and still missing features from the old control panel, although its catching up.
 
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Arguably still yes, as it only really falls behind in RT, most of the time in raster its not far off, and sometimes it can be much faster; but the tighter price difference does make it less standout than it was.

That said, the 5070Tis typically go out and arent replenished as quickly as the 9070XTs so you've still got far more chance of getting a 9070XT than a 5070Ti, and if someone wants something ASAP, there's value there too.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
A lot of people still do, but when nVidia starts acting like Intel and releasing products with little to no performance improvements at the same pricepoints, they're bound to run into trouble eventually!
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Or just increase the price to a point where price/performance might actually regress. AMD and Nvidia have both done this in the past.
 
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Joxeon said:
Is the 9070XT even worth it anymore with the lowest being around £650 when the 5070ti has now been available and easy to get for £729 recently.
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I don’t think it is. Not at £650 with good upscaling but still inferior vs DLSS4. I’d pay the £80 for a 70ti that can be had elsewhere right now- faster, more feature set and likely to be relevant in terms of upscaling longer- who’s to say AMD might release FSR4+ and say it’s only compatible with UDNA1 and ditch 9070 users?
 
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