If its 4070 Ti RT and 4080 Raster for £500 to £550 i'll probably buy one in a year and be happy....
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Or if Nvidia does that before you do, AMD... i'll switch back to Nvidia.
I'm not alone in that, you need to make it actually good, the 7900 XT thing was bad, really bad, you can't do that again.
I'm not alone in that, you need to make it actually good, the 7900 XT thing was bad, really bad, you can't do that again.
I'm not too bothered about upscaling tech as its a last resort to me, i'd rather have the GPU be powerful enough to not need it, however i recognise that increasingly upscaling tech is actually needed even if you do have a very powerful 1440P GPU, which the RX 7800 XT is, so as its getting increasingly needed it needs to become more in line with the quality of DLSS.
In that sense RT is becoming critical, its not going to be long where lagging behind in RT is no different to lagging behind in Raster.
AMD does have some good features that are overlooked, being able to quadrupole my frame rates without the use of upscaling tech is something quite special. And yes AMD's driver UI, functionality and feature set is S tier.
No, if you read the article they explain their thinking, currently Nvidia use a unified architecture, so the gaming GPU's have the same capabilities as the workstation GPU's and with that the they can utilise the full feature set of CUDA, that's how you get DLSS and Ray Reconstruction ecte...
For a couple of year now AMD have been building their equivalent or rival to CUDA, ROCm, now the want to unify the architecture for the same reason Nvidia already do, this is how AMD get to DLSS and Ray Reconstruction equivalents.
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Yeah...No!
If we take the same sort of uplift Sony claim "2X to 3X" but that with 45% more GPU and the 3X will be besdt case (FC6 and 2X worst, CP2077)
The 8800 XT looks like a similar +45% GPU so 2X in CP 2077. Lets go worse, lets say 2X the 7800 XT.
26 FPS
How do we know its not the same thing under another name? AMD built the hardware why wouldn't they also build the software?
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Nvidia do the same thing with DLSS, no reason why AMD couldn't also AI train a new game during development or after release, Nvidia built their own in house AI training super computer for it, AMD make their own AI GPU's, they don't even need to buy anything from Nvidia.
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This is true, yes....
Te PS5 Pro is $200 more expensive than the original, have you seen the reaction to that? Suddenly no one cares about the increased fidelity it offers....
The irony here is while he says that he has a $4000 PC with a 4090 in it because he wants the best graphics, when ever it comes up he talks about how he can run the best graphics with it. So on the one hand he's willing to pay $4000 to get the best graphics but when a $500 console becomes $700 to offer much better graphics its a problem. So people like him are one of the reason's GPU's are so expensive but they can only see the cause and effect when it's happening outside their church.
Look at him gurning at the AI upscaling tech, yet he will not run a game without DLSS and thinks its everything, can't do without it.
Nvidia make exactly this presentation with DLSS, he doesn't gurn at that, he opens his wallet.
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Its also why AMD can never compete no matter how competitive they are, Cognitive dissonance among PC gamers will not allow them to compete, its simply not the correct brand.
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AMD plans for FSR4 to be fully AI-based — designed to improve quality and maximize power efficiency
The team in charge has already been working on this for 9–12 months.
If that $600 Nvidia card becomes $450 should AMD then be $300?
The 4070 was $600, the 7800 XT came in at $500, that's barely even -20% for a better GPU and the first thing Nvidia did, before the 7800 XT even got warm was drop the price of the 4070 to $550, they didn't do that for some realisation that the 4070 was overpriced, no, they did that to deny the 7800 XT sales, and it worked.
Nvidia's job is to stop AMD from getting any sales, from gaining any sort of traction in this segment, if AMD engage in a price war Nvidia will snuff them out with zero effort, Nvidia could deny AMD any sales of any kind, zero sales, without any effort, AMD exist in this space at all... by the grace of Nvidia. That is where we are at and until that changes you will be forever blaming AMD for inflated GPU prices.
Its not all on AMD, its also on tech jurnoes, its on us, its a collective effort and we are never going to come together like that.
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If RDNA 4 RT is as good as the PS5 Pro indicates, if FSR 4 works close enough to as well as DLSS and the GPU's are well priced AMD will have done the work at their end, at that point its up to reviewers and its up to us. If AMD have done enough and they don't start recommending them over Nvidia even if Nvidia reduce the price and we don't start buying them then the fault is not with AMD.
The RT performance of the RX 7800 XT is at worst the same as a 4060 Ti 16GB, on average its actually 19% better, how about that?
In raster its 45% faster.
The 4060 Ti 16 GB is £410
The RX 7800 XT is £440
Its a better card than a lot of people think it is. and you can add 15% by overclocking, easily.
In raster its 45% faster.
The 4060 Ti 16 GB is £410
The RX 7800 XT is £440
Its a better card than a lot of people think it is. and you can add 15% by overclocking, easily.
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No, that's not what i'm saying.
Would you still argue that Nvidia are worth 15% more because they have Ray Reconstruction?
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@Nexus18 I think for you its always going to be Nvidia irregardless of price, you're always going to look for a reason and if you need to look for it you will find it, we just need less people like you, we don't have to extinguish them ^^^
IMO they did get the launch price right with the RX 7800 XT, £470 on launch day was a good price, the 4070 in some ways is a better GPU, DLSS, a bit better RT.... but at £580 on launch made the 7800 XT better, its still about 10% more which to me makes it a more difficult decision but its 12 GB is already showing some signs of becoming a problem and you can make the 7800 XT match a 4070 Ti in raster easily, that's an £800 GPU and the 4070 barely overclocks at all.
IMO they did get the launch price right with the RX 7800 XT, £470 on launch day was a good price, the 4070 in some ways is a better GPU, DLSS, a bit better RT.... but at £580 on launch made the 7800 XT better, its still about 10% more which to me makes it a more difficult decision but its 12 GB is already showing some signs of becoming a problem and you can make the 7800 XT match a 4070 Ti in raster easily, that's an £800 GPU and the 4070 barely overclocks at all.
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I tested that in The First Dependent, i noticed i was seeing exactly 100 FPS at one point, it made me think... i stopped there right at 100 FPS, pressed Alt + R, went Performance > Tuning and moved sliders about without any finesse, clicked apply and boom 119 FPS, just like that....
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It was £100 cheaper in the upper mid range, so be that as it may there is no chance of balancing this market.
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This is why i asked you if AMD should always be 33% cheaper, should they always react to Nvidia in that way no matter what they do.
I'll ask another way, should AMD sell at a loss?