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humbug said:
And £100 / £120 more expensive.

That is the cost of DLSS, no thank you...
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4070 super 549 pounds
7800xt 480 pounds (but is slower even in raster)
7900GRE 510 pounds (about the same - 1-2% doesn't really matter).

So is more like 39 pounds / 69 pounds - but for the later you do get a better card for the extra money even in raster.

If AMD copy pastes the same strategy with next gen... nothing really changes.
 
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Calin Banc said:
4070 super 549 pounds
7800xt 480 pounds (but is slower even in raster)
7900GRE 510 pounds (about the same - 1-2% doesn't really matter).

So is more like 39 pounds / 69 pounds - but for the later you do get a better card.

If AMD copy pastes the same strategy with next gen... nothing really changes.
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You overclock your 4070 Super, i'll overclock my 7800 XT and we will see if you're still faster...

Also. Which one? I'm not buying one with a crap cooler, i got an ASRock Challenger 5700 XT with a crap cooler, after 4 weeks of trying to tolerate it i sold it cheap and went back to Nvidia, i'm not doing cheap cooler again...
 
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humbug said:
You overclock your 4070 Super, i'll overclock my 7800 XT and we will see if you're still faster...

Also. Which one? I'm not buying one with a crap cooler, i got an ASRock Challenger 5700 XT with a crap cooler, after 4 weeks of trying to tolerate it i sold it cheap and went back to Nvidia, i'm not doing cheap cooler again...
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Cheapest from each one...
People in general will not push their cards.
 
humbug said:
Just because its the cheapest one doesn't mean it's the one to buy, its cheap, relatively because £550 is not cheap for any mid level card, because its junk.
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then add 10 pounds and get the next one.

LE: Sapphire 7900GRE is 550 pounds, so that will go up too.
LE2: Either way, the performance delta is too small to go "I'll play native for my money". AMD and nVIDIA both play native (raster) at about the same frame rate. You're not getting a better deal from that pov.
 
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Calin Banc said:
then add 10 pounds and get the next one.
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The Zotac? Its even worse...

For reference the £480 Sapphire Pulse you linked, the card that i have, is 26 dbs. 20 dbs is silent, noise perception doubles every +3 dbs.

Tell you what, to save you some time the least expensive one i would consider, hypothetically. Is this one, even them i'm still Eragh?!?!?!?! :mad:

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To match the cooler performance of my £480 card you're probably looking at this one.... its £630.
This is the problem with Nvidia's mid level cards these days, they start out over priced, if you actually want one that you can live with the price is stupid! I considured all this, you don't go from being near a decade Nvidia to AMD unless you feel something is seriously wrong, there is.

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humbug said:
The Zotac? Its even worse...

For reference the £480 Sapphire Pulse you linked, the card that i have, is 26 dbs. 20 dbs is silent, noise perception doubles every +3 dbs.

Tell you what, to save you some time the least expensive one i would consider, hypothetically. Is this one, even them i'm still Eragh?!?!?!?! :mad:

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Well, you've gotta spin it somehow. :)
 
tommybhoy said:
Think we've all had enough spin @Calin Banc

The bug ditched NV after being on RTX from the start to spend his money on his preferred preference which is AMD(faster/vram) for reasons you keep ignoring while pushing your preferences for staying on Nv(RTX).
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Nope. He said he paid to play native rather than with upscaling. Do you really think the 7800xt will keep up with native while 4070s will need upscaled in raster? Giving the difference between them I'd say no. 4070 could get it's a** kicked due to VRAM, but that's different.

Anyway, hope he enjoys it. For me it isn't that different from Nvidia alternative, regardless of rtx or upscaling - so pure raster. I do hope the offering is better with next gen.
 
tommybhoy said:
Getting grief for chucking NV in the bin and going AMD.

It's like NvMafs in here.:cry:
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Got nothing to do with chucking NV in the bin as Humbug got called out when he said the price difference was £100-£120 when its not.

Moved the goalposts with the muh overclocking and thats a crap cooler.

Doubled down on the thats a crap cooler.

I mean I could move the goalposts and say the 7800XT and 4070 Super cant be compared due the 4070 Super being 30-40% faster in RT then provide a AMD card thats comparable in RT.
 
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humbug said:
To match the cooler performance of my £480 card you're probably looking at this one.... its £630.
This is the problem with Nvidia's mid level cards these days, they start out over priced, if you actually want one that you can live with the price is stupid! I considured all this, you don't go from being near a decade Nvidia to AMD unless you feel something is seriously wrong, there is.

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Tbh the only GRE that I’d buy is the Nitro (the rest look awful EXCEPT the Pulse which sadly is £550 and I would want all metal shroud for that) and I haven’t seen it cheaper than about £580 so that’s about 15-20% higher than a 7800XT Nitro so not sure paying more for 10-15% extra raster performance is the right way to go. Either people have to choose Nvidia with the 4070 Super and accept the vram OR they go for cheapest Raster card ie 7800xt. No point to the GRE tbh.
 
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Calin Banc said:
Nope. He said he paid to play native rather than with upscaling. Do you really think the 7800xt will keep up with native while 4070s will need upscaled in raster? Giving the difference between them I'd say no. 4070 could get it's a** kicked due to VRAM, but that's different.

Anyway, hope he enjoys it. For me it isn't that different from Nvidia alternative, regardless of rtx or upscaling - so pure raster. I do hope the offering is better with next gen.
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GTX 970
GTX 1070
RTX 2070S

I buy in the mid range, for 1440P, but upgrade every generation.

That only stopped when Jenson vomited what he called the RTX 3070, i still didn't buy AMD, struggled with the 2070S for another year and still didn't, then Jeson vomited again, i still didn't act but now i was getting itchy and increasingly peed off.

Until i decided, i had to decide as my GPU's third year was now long behind it, i did a lot of soul-searching and a lot of research and realised, among other things.... that for what it would cost me to get a good 4070 class card, one that didn't annoy me, one that i actually like and could take pride in owning, it would actually cost me getting to near as much as an RX 7900 XT, the price difference to move up to that card was less than the Sapphire RX 7800 XT Pulse was the other way, which i had been eyeing up for months knowing it was a good, solid version of that GPU.

So i bought it.

Had the 4070, vinila, been £480, maybe £500, for a good one, i would have bought it, what i really wanted was 16GB, which the 7800 XT also had but would have settled for the 12 GB with DLSS, but its silly money for one with a cooler that's as good as the one that's on mine.

And you know what, in the last 2 years quite a few people in my Discord have ditched Nvidia for AMD, i was pretty much the last one still holding out...
 
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Grim5 said:
Is this saying rdna4 has no high end?

It looks like they're saying all rdna4 GPUs are slower than a 7900xtx

What are 7900xt and 7900xtx owners going to do; switch to Nvidia or wait a few more years till AMD makes a high end GPU again?
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If a person has no interest in RT then anyone with a 7800+ doesn't really need to upgrade anytime soon. Myself for example, I turn RT on in a game and say "oh shiny" then turn it off again. Correct reflections and shadows have never been important to me and I'd wager it's the same with the vast majority of everyday people who just want to play games.
 
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I checked the RTX4070 Super Ghost review on TPU:

Gainward's RTX 4070 Super Ghost stands out as a basic RTX 4070S model that sells at an attractive price point. This means that compromises were made in terms of cooling capability, especially since this is a dual-slot design. In our apples-to-apples noise-normalized cooler comparison test, the Gainward Ghost runs 12°C warmer than the FE at the same noise levels and heat load. With 76°C in a 23°C room, temps are getting pretty close to the thermal cutoff of 83°C at which NVIDIA Boost will reduce the card's boost clock, to avoid overheating. At the same time noise levels are the highest of all the cards tested today—39.3 dBA, which is definitely "not quiet," but not "loud" either.
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The RX7800XT Pulse has a decent cooler and it can be had under RRP too. The RX7700XT version is at around 26 dBA under load according to TPU. Although all of these cards could do with a price cut. RX7800XT/RTX4070 should be really close to £400.
 
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