*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[TNA]

Some people on here probably legitimately believe that.

That's obviously stupid. But based on rumoured performance of their upcoming card £399 would be the correct price point imo.

Would review and sell well. Much more than that and it will flop I recon.

 

[Gerard]

That's obviously stupid. But based on rumoured performance of their upcoming card £399 would be the correct price point imo.

Would review and sell well. Much more than that and it will flop I recon.

I'll be surprised if its anything under £500.

 

[McPhee]

That's obviously stupid. But based on rumoured performance of their upcoming card £399 would be the correct price point imo.

Would review and sell well. Much more than that and it will flop I recon.

If the GRE performance rumour are correct, then yeah. The GRE is available for £520 now, so the new card would need to be £399 to really move price/performance forward. £449 could maybe be justified if RT performance is significantly improved. £499+ would be silly.

At the same time though, the rumoured 9070 XT name makes me think they're looking at a higher price point. Are they really going to take aim at the RTX 5070 (£600-£800) with a £400 GPU?

Either way, I'd be quite interested at £399. If it's much more than that, I'll look further down the product ranges (9060? 5060 Ti).

 

[muon]

The 5700 XT came out at $399. So if they get it at $449 and it is comparable to the higher end 5060 or even lower end 5070 then it should be fine.

The 5700 XT as an example competed against the 2060 Super and stayed consistently above it. Of the RDNA range, I'd say this card and the 6800 XT were their hits.

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[RavenXXX2]

Leaker claim it's within 5% of a 4080 in games, hype train back on track? now we wait for the AMD pricing derail.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT expected to boost up to 3.1 GHz, 260-330W TBP depending on a model - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT can boost up to 3.1 GHz Chiphell leaker claims it will reach up to 330W TBP on custom models. Some enthusiasts prefer to compare graphics cards based on their power metrics. If a card consumes 300W, it is generally expected to compete with similar models from competitors...

videocardz.com

 

[JediFragger]

We can hope it is!

 

[SpudMaster]

All I'm hoping for is some kind of hardware-accelerated upscaling from FSR4 for the RDNA3 cards, totally not bothered about the hardware (bar a possible 9800X3D upgrade, but it's hardly needed).

I hope so to. Though I do worry they'll lock it into RDNA4 to make the cards look better compared to RDNA3. Kinda like Nvidia did with the 4000 series cards and frame gen.

 

[adidan]

Leaker claim it's within 5% of a 4080 in games, hype train back on track? now we wait for the AMD pricing derail.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT expected to boost up to 3.1 GHz, 260-330W TBP depending on a model - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT can boost up to 3.1 GHz Chiphell leaker claims it will reach up to 330W TBP on custom models. Some enthusiasts prefer to compare graphics cards based on their power metrics. If a card consumes 300W, it is generally expected to compete with similar models from competitors...

videocardz.com

Price it right and that'll do me.

Price it wrong and I'll let out another exasperated sigh.

 

[Bidley]

I can't take it any more - it's the hope that kills you!

 

[uscool]

Swings back to 4080 lol CES can't come soon enough

 

[GhostDog1981]

Swings back to 4080 lol CES can't come soon enough

At this rate with DLSS your 3080 *might, just might* see you into 60 series Nvidia or UDNA 1….

 

[uscool]

At this rate with DLSS your 3080 *might, just might* see you into 60 series Nvidia or UDNA 1….

Tbh I rarely play any games now more idea of owning something new if I see good value

 

[humbug]

Leaker claim it's within 5% of a 4080 in games, hype train back on track? now we wait for the AMD pricing derail.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT expected to boost up to 3.1 GHz, 260-330W TBP depending on a model - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT can boost up to 3.1 GHz Chiphell leaker claims it will reach up to 330W TBP on custom models. Some enthusiasts prefer to compare graphics cards based on their power metrics. If a card consumes 300W, it is generally expected to compete with similar models from competitors...

videocardz.com

7800 XT at 2.93 Ghz.

+7% CU's puts it dead even (+1%) with the RX 7900 XT, or 88.5% of the 4080, an extra 200Mhz may take it to 90% a 4080, IMO we shouldn't expect it to be more than that, it depends on price, but then again the 4070 Ti is only 18% faster than the 'reference' 7800 XT is out of the box and it is near half the price, no one cares......

 

[GhostDog1981]

7800 XT at 2.93 Ghz.

+7% CU's puts it dead even (+1%) with the RX 7900 XT, or 88.5% of the 4080, an extra 200Mhz may take it to 90% a 4080, IMO we shouldn't expect it to be more than that, it depends on price, but then again the 4070 Ti is only 18% faster than the 7800 XT is out of the box and it is near half the price, no one cares......

Staggering to think no one wanted a half price 4070ti in the 7800xt……

AMD have a lot of marketing and goodwill (with price of 9070XT-needs to be max £399) to start to win back mindshare.

 

[humbug]

Staggering to think no one wanted a half price 4070ti in the 7800xt……

AMD have a lot of marketing and goodwill (with price of 9070XT) to start to win back mindshare.

Yeah its **** sad, not one of these tech jurnoes picked up on just how good the 7800 XT actually is for its money, all they had on their mind was DLSS, no room for much else... its only people like you and me who saw the value in them.
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Do you guys remember the rumour about RDNA 3 having a bug and that being why they didn't match marketing? that bug was they couldn't reach 3Ghz, they couldn't even surpass RDNA 2 in clock speeds. Navi 32 (7800 / 7700 series) was delayed for like a year, well they run quite happy at near 3Ghz, they overclock like beasts, they are hard power limited to 300 watts but even at that i've seen mine hit 3.1Ghz, up from around 2.4Ghz, that's +30%, we haven't seen that since the HD 7950, i think they fixed RDNA 3 with Navi 32 but then gimped it as to not step on the 7900 XT's toes.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Yeah its **** sad, not one of these tech jurnoes picked up on just how good the 7800 XT actually is for its money, all they had on their mind was DLSS, no room for much else... its only people like you and me who saw the value in them.
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Do you guys remember the rumour about RDNA 3 having a bug and that being why they didn't match marketing? that bug was they couldn't reach 3Ghz, they couldn't even surpass RDNA 2 in clock speeds. Navi 32 (7800 / 7700 series) was delayed for like a year, well they run quite happy at near 3Ghz, they overclock like beasts, they are hard power limited to 300 watts but even at that i've seen mine hit 3.1Ghz, up from around 2.4Ghz, that's +30%, we haven't seen that since the HD 7950, i think they fixed RDNA 3 with Navi 32 but then gimped it as to not step on the 7900 XT's toes.

I agree mine can get past 3ghz but is power limited to 263w. If MPT or something like it can be developed to unlock the power limit I think we can achieve stock 7900xt levels of raster.

 

[Bidley]

Thing is, at that performance tier you're likely going to be using upscaling, which is where Nvidia comes into it's own, certainly when those cards were released. 2 years down the line the damage is done unfortunately.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say, if the 9070xt is within 10% of the 4080 in raster and say 15% in RT, and FSR4 is banging then £500-£550 is a winner. Less performance than that and they need to do an ARC and price crazy aggressively, because if the B770 ever comes out you can guarantee they'll be priced well.

 

[Poneros]

The 7800 XT is not a half price 4070 Ti. People don't play "relative performance index", they play actual games, and quite often they find that a 7800 XT is indeed half a 4070 Ti, not just the price. So stop kidding yourself about how good a 7800 XT is, because it's not, otherwise it would sell, at least amongst ppl on this forum, but what do we see? Even here for ppl with knowledge it falls short. That's not because of the marketing, it's just reality.

And the truth is, Nvidia's popularity also sees it have optimisations not seen for Radeon in many titles even without RT, which aren't tested by the HW reviewers (who instead prefer the same 10-15 games), but which nonetheless are immensely popular and important for when ppl decide on a GPU [below, Path of Exile 2]:

 

[muon]

Some proper revisionism here. The 7800 XT is a $499 card. The 4070 Ti and then the 4070 Ti Super is a $799 card.

There is a $200 gap there for it to be half the price of the 4070 Ti/Ti Super. I agree it is half the price of the 4080 Super though.

The 7800 XT was a bit better than the 4070 $529 and a bit worse than the 4070 Super $599. It wasn't "amazing" value for money. It was a bit better than Nvidia but without DLSS or the RT performance.

edit:

If the 7800 XT was $399 / £379 on launch (half the 4070 Ti/Ti Super MSRP), it would have had rave reviews. Even today it is still £449.

 

[GhostDog1981]

The 7800 XT is not a half price 4070 Ti. People don't play "relative performance index", they play actual games, and quite often they find that a 7800 XT is indeed half a 4070 Ti, not just the price. So stop kidding yourself about how good a 7800 XT is, because it's not, otherwise it would sell, at least amongst ppl on this forum, but what do we see? Even here for ppl with knowledge it falls short. That's not because of the marketing, it's just reality.

And the truth is, Nvidia's popularity also sees it have optimisations not seen for Radeon in many titles even without RT, which aren't tested by the HW reviewers (who instead prefer the same 10-15 games), but which nonetheless are immensely popular and important for when ppl decide on a GPU [below, Path of Exile 2]:

I think we are talking about overclocked 7800xt performance if you do that then it’s close.