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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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I have an 850W supply too, so will easily be enough.

Does make you wonder about a larger Polaris though.

With some minor tweaks, they could have probably fit 5000 Polaris cores in 500mm2, and running at 1350-1400 Mhz with 11 GHz GDDR5X that would likely be a very decent GPU.

I mean I'm glad I didn't get rid of it :D It's in a box in a cupboard now as I bought a 650 watt model a couple of months back which is now in my PC, I'm sure that'll be plenty but if not I can swap them around easily enough.
 
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Define, the tester from yesterday has posted a Timespy run today -

6584 o/all
Graphics Score 7126
CPU Score 4603

Which is in mid 1080 territory on the leaderboard here.
 
it's basically amds version of the titan, they're trying to break into that market Nvidia has.

Definitely not, The Titan branding's about having the best gaming gpu where as we've been told the Frontier is slower then the fastest RX Vega.
This is for a completely different focus.
 
Definitely not, The Titan branding's about having the best gaming gpu where as we've been told the Frontier is slower then the fastest RX Vega.
This is for a completely different focus.


Nvidia have said multiple times the titan isn't a gaming gpu, infact they never market the titan as a gaming card which is why reviewers never get one, on the titan Xp page it mentions gaming one with "latest gaming technologies"

at no point is it marketed as a gaming card, Nvidia call it a deep learning card.

just as much as how raja commented on how the vega FE will deliver 4k gaming, and has shown it performing multiple gaming benchmarks (such as at computex)

again, vega FE is NOT a pro card,it lacks pro driver certifications, it lacks ECC memory.

it's a deep learning / prosumer card.
 
Definitely not, The Titan branding's about having the best gaming gpu where as we've been told the Frontier is slower then the fastest RX Vega.
This is for a completely different focus.

It a no-mans land GPU between the Workstation Vega and RX Vega cards. An artificial market segment where it is to be exceeded the respective markets by dedicated cards.

Nvidia have said multiple times the titan isn't a gaming gpu, infact they never market the titan as a gaming card which is why reviewers never get one, on the titan Xp page it mentions gaming one with "latest gaming technologies"

at no point is it marketed as a gaming card, Nvidia call it a deep learning card.

just as much as how raja commented on how the vega FE will deliver 4k gaming, and has shown it performing multiple gaming benchmarks (such as at computex)

again, vega FE is NOT a pro card,it lacks pro driver certifications, it lacks ECC memory.

it's a deep learning / prosumer card.

Do we know for certain ECC is disabled?
 
AMD should have not allowed gaming drivers to be installed on these cards,or at least said they were for testing out specific features on the card. Now if PCPER get hold of the card and see similar performance,its going to be a PR disaster for AMD.
 
An draw 500w, I don't think so.

If RX Vega is really in some way faster than FE then it can only be because it is a new revision and I doubt clocks will go above 1600Mhz.


Well there has to be some reason why they're emphasising that the RX line is the card you want for gaming and the FE isn't. So just have to wait and see.
 
Lets have a look at the last few graphics card launches then:
1.)R9 290/290X - subpar stock cooler which then had a stupid quiet mode which Nvidia managed to exploit to their advantage.Bad first impression.
2.)R9 285 - AMD seeded cards out for review,but most of them were of one model which had excessive power consumption and regressed in performance/watt and this is when Nvidia had launched Maxwell that year.Bad first impression.
3.)R9 390/390X - went fine but was a rebrand and helped by Nvidia PR and their own goal
5.)R9 380/R9 380X - went fine but was a rebrand
6.)R9 295X2 - generally OKish but issue of whether card overdrew power from certain connectors IIRC but the Nvidia equivalent failed badly so a moot point.
7.)AMD Fury X - an utter shambles with poor cooler QC.Bad first impression. You could barely get cards for a month so there was no need to panic rush it out.
8.)Radeon Pro Duo - seemed OK
9.)RX480 - rubbish stock cooler despite AMD calling it premium and had the power draw bug from the PCI-E slot. Nvidia managed to get aftermarket GTX1060 cards out before aftermarket RX480 ones. Hence Nvidia managed to steal some thunder from the launch.
10.)RX470 launch - OK but price was too near RX480. GTX1060 3GB looked faster at launch and so many people have still bought the latter despite its obvious weakness.
11.)RX460 - launch OK but was more cut down than expected and it meant an easy victory for the GTX1050 two months later. Cards in prebuilds and laptops seemed to use the fully enabled chip.
12.)RX580/RX570 - decent enough performance and no crap stock cooler but was a rebrand but performance/watt got worse
13.)RX560 - quite competent but should have been what the RX460 was and is essentially based on a older and proven chip
14.)Vega - they launch a prosumer card with drivers which are not upto scratch and it looks no better than a GTX1080,so in the end anyone looking at one might just get a Titan Xp instead

Outside the rebrands its a common theme,AMD rush half finished cards out,which look meh during the first reviews,and when these cards are fixed they are solid,but by that time its too late as those old reviews are still up and first impressions count.

Then you add the whole Ryzen launch - I mean loads of issues ,and that wouldn't be as bad a problem as the fact that for the first month you could barely get motherboards.

Nothing to do with confirmation bias - Intel has multiple platforms on the get-go so can get away with the odd issue here and there,and AMD does not so half the reviews which were slating gaming performance was since AMD pushed it out too early and the motherboards were in a crap state. Nvidia also by extension has more mindshare so even if they have the odd issue,the fact is they have plenty of solid launches behind them,so people gloss over it.

With AMD its becoming a habit - look at launches like the HD4000 and HD5000 series - performance was there from day one,and even if the HD5000 series did have some slight issues,they launched six months before Nvidia so could get away with it. These are all ATI launches - look at the 9700 PRO. I can still remember them launching months before Nvidia and it was near perfect in hardware and even if Nvidia was considered to have "better drivers" back then,the performance,power consumption and even performance/watt was there.

I mean I have a GTX1080 FE,and people had criticisms of the cooler on that,yet its probably the best blower cooler I have used ever,and I have it in a mini-ITX rig.

It is sad, very saddening. Those 5870's of mine has ATi branding on them. I miss the days of ATi. Sadly at times I feel I no longer recognise this AMD company. It certainly isn't the same company that whipped out great stuff from 2000 - 2007 or the equivalent to the days of ATi.

I certainly would be annoyed waiting for good performance 6 months down the line if it arrives. Gamers want to game and have good performance right now.
 
It a no-mans land GPU between the Workstation Vega and RX Vega cards. An artificial market segment where it is to be exceeded the respective markets by dedicated cards.



Do we know for certain ECC is disabled?


yes, you can see yourself from looking at actual workstation cards from amd, it's listed as part of the spec (as it's fairly critical in pro workplaces) it's not listed for vega fe, and at no point has amd hinted it has ecc support.
 
Nvidia have said multiple times the titan isn't a gaming gpu, infact they never market the titan as a gaming card which is why reviewers never get one, on the titan Xp page it mentions gaming one with "latest gaming technologies"

at no point is it marketed as a gaming card, Nvidia call it a deep learning card.

Huh ? Nvidia's Titan Xp disagrees with you :

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

Theres litteraly "gaming" in giant font on their Titan Xp page, i'm sorry, that "Nvidia never marketed the Titan for gaming" is a load of BS, none of the links on that page take you to anything to do with professional workflows or anything like that it takes you to a ******** of gaming marketing !

One thing for sure though, their page definitely doesn't market this towards deep learning, the words don't come up once on that page. To say that the Titan isn't marketed towards gaming is ludicrous (this is the first page that comes out on google aswell)
 
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Huh ? Nvidia's Titan Xp disagrees with you :

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

Theres litteraly "gaming" in giant font on their Titan Xp page, i'm sorry, that "Nvidia never marketed the Titan for gaming" is a load of BS, none of the links on that page take you to anything to do with professional workflows or anything like that it takes you to a ******** of gaming marketing !

One thing for sure though, their page definitely doesn't market this towards deep learning, the words don't come up once on that page


as I already pointed out it mentions the word gaming once .

raja said multiple times the vega fe is fully capable of gaming, he mentioned about a "great 4k gaming experience"

it has GAMING MODE

it has been benched multiple times gaming, infact the ONLY times we've seen the vega FE from amd is in gaming benchmarks.

vega FE isn't a pro card, nor is titan xp.

they're top of the line chips, capable of gaming to the highest level (of each respective company) and can be used for things like deep learning.

Nvidia don't hand out titans for reciews because they say it's not a gaming card it's a deep learning card.

they are both prosumer cards targeting the same market
 
Huh ? Nvidia's Titan Xp disagrees with you :

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

Theres litteraly "gaming" in giant font on their Titan Xp page, i'm sorry, that "Nvidia never marketed the Titan for gaming" is a load of BS, none of the links on that page take you to anything to do with professional workflows or anything like that it takes you to a ******** of gaming marketing !

One thing for sure though, their page definitely doesn't market this towards deep learning, the words don't come up once on that page. To say that the Titan isn't marketed towards gaming is ludicrous (this is the first page that comes out on google aswell)

Its also a 'GeForce GTX', which is their gaming card brand. :p
 
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as I already pointed out it mentions the word gaming once .

raja said multiple times the vega fe is fully capable of gaming, he mentioned about a "great 4k gaming experience"

it has GAMING MODE

They also mention "Next gen VR EXPERIENCES" not development or anything like that but EXPERIENCES, and as I pointed out none of the link on that page point to anything other than Gaming marketing. Let's face it, it is marketed as a Gaming card, hence why so many gamers buy them...

Don't disagree with you on that the FE isn't a pro card, it is not it isn't even certified, and I do not believe that they wanted to market the FE as a Titan competitor, their marketing have done quite the contrary in reality, almost asking gamers not to buy it. They are targeting the Pro market, but they aren't targeting the same market as the Titan because the Titan is clearly targeting gamers, as their front page proves. Their front page doesn't even once mention the word "pro" "workflow" "deep learning" or any other words associated with a professional gpu
 
Well there has to be some reason why they're emphasising that the RX line is the card you want for gaming and the FE isn't. So just have to wait and see.

Yeah just looking at the poor cooler on the FE a custom rx that can hold it clocks would be much faster.
Hopefully they price it right to add some competition.
 
Nvidia have said multiple times the titan isn't a gaming gpu, infact they never market the titan as a gaming card which is why reviewers never get one, on the titan Xp page it mentions gaming one with "latest gaming technologies"

at no point is it marketed as a gaming card, Nvidia call it a deep learning card.

just as much as how raja commented on how the vega FE will deliver 4k gaming, and has shown it performing multiple gaming benchmarks (such as at computex)

again, vega FE is NOT a pro card,it lacks pro driver certifications, it lacks ECC memory.

it's a deep learning / prosumer card.

What? The Titan cards have always been marketed as gaming cards first and foremost. Always!!
 
as I already pointed out it mentions the word gaming once .

raja said multiple times the vega fe is fully capable of gaming, he mentioned about a "great 4k gaming experience"

it has GAMING MODE

Yeah he said it's capable of gaming. But, while it has a gaming mode, he also said that gaming isn't it's focus and he advised that gamers wait for RX Vega.
 
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