Well plenty of hardware sites that have been going years with people that know what they're talking about. Maybe not experts but they have contacts in the industry and go to all their product unveiling.
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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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Well plenty of hardware sites that have been going years with people that know what they're talking about. Maybe not experts but they have contacts in the industry and go to all their product unveiling.
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Ha, I agree. He seemed to gain prominence with his pro AMD CPU videos
I think we watched two different videos, please give me an example of speculation he has made based on hot air? Where did he pretend that he wasn't speculating?
I didn't say or imply he is an expert or an authority. He does have good informative analysis of data that he pulls up.
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Yeah, and i agree with what some have said earlier in the thread, and thats that they've only released the FE, to meet the H1 2017 deadline, to keep their investors happy.
Would have been far better to have said look, we can't do the H1 2017, we'll do a couple or so weeks later at Siggraph, and launch the RX, and all being like it was shown months ago, it is 1080/Ti (or above) performance, everyone would have been happy, then after that, they could have released the FE, where no one would have been bothered about its gaming performance only being around a 1070.
Surely their investors would have seen that as being by far the better option.
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Just to add this. Go back 100 or so pages and you would see a number of people moaning about how "late" Vega is. Whether releasing early was the right choice, I don't know. But i do know that people would have complained either way and this would have caused problems for them either way.
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A few weeks delay moan, is far better than the absolute slaughtering they are getting from us, joe public, and the industry, be a lot less damaging.
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If you wantch all of the segment from 9:00 to 13:30 you get a lot of the info about the driver package and how old it is,
So please can we put all the old driver excuses to rest.
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The Vega FE uses the big Vega chip, we know this from gpu-z, So the omly way it can be different is if it's cut down.
That's something we will never know.
Can't disagree with that, the only difference being he goes into the nitty gritty of things, a bit more in depth than the average tech youtuber, but he is no more an expert than I am.
I don't agree with his point concerning the "financial analysis day" sentence, a high end GPU is what it is, high end, a 1070 is midrange and it requires mental gymnastics to read it otherwise, especially for the shareholders... They said Ryzen would go up against Intels High end products and they did they didn't go up against their midrange products (well they did with other SKUs of course but that wasn't the point of that sentence), I don't consider the 7700k a midrange product, nor any of the X platform CPUs either for that matter.
I really do not see how AMD would even be able to release the RX Vega with a big die and HBM2 at a 1070 price point, especially as AMD know that as soon as they release their GPU, Nvidia will cut prices. And at that time the prices of GPUs hadn't skyrocketed yet like they did in june, the 1070 actually got a price cut from 380$ msrp to 350$ in march before the 1080ti release and way before the Financial analysis day, it's important to put that sentence into the context of when it was said on the 16th of may, when prices were very different. And I don't even believe that they could release RX Vega big die in a month at todays 1070 price point (450$ ish)
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I am an investor (I own stock).
I am happy that MI25 is ready and offered with EPYC as a bundle. As long as the compute power is there (and it is) I'm happy.
Would I be happier if they beat the 1080ti in gaming? Sure, but I always thought it was a long shot.
However, delaying any compute-oriented products just because because the gaming card is not ready would've been 10 times worse.
If you scroll down his vids they're all lets plays with a few hundred views each, then he has a review on the amd crimson drivers that got 40,000 odd views, and from there he does a few more lets plays with low views before getting into the tech stuff again.
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I agree (I also own stock), although to assure shareholders of a smoother ride they could have manage this release quite a bit better.
Really, they should have set Vega aside and worked on it more, shrunk Fiji to 14nm, added some perf bells and whistles, probably got better clocks out of it so it could compete with the 1070 while being on a smaller die.
Then used their infinity fabric thingamajig ala threadripper to join 2 shrunken Fiji dies (the package would have probably been a bit bigger than Vega but they have the space because of HBM) and still be below 600mm² and that would have competed with a 1080ti
And then use 2 dud dies with deactivated CUs and still probably be better than a 1080 but a bit under a 1080ti.
But then I have no idea what i'm talking about i'm no expert, but Vega is sure looking bad at the moment and making no sense at all I can see that much lol.
Then used their infinity fabric thingamajig ala threadripper to join 2 shrunken Fiji dies (the package would have probably been a bit bigger than Vega but they have the space because of HBM) and still be below 600mm² and that would have competed with a 1080ti
And then use 2 dud dies with deactivated CUs and still probably be better than a 1080 but a bit under a 1080ti.
But then I have no idea what i'm talking about i'm no expert, but Vega is sure looking bad at the moment and making no sense at all I can see that much lol.
What is important to AMD for Vega is data centre / compute for deep learning. MIopen has just launched. EPYC and MI25 are ready. Vega FE is ready and putting those 12.5/25 TFLOPs to work on the desktop, so that people who prepare work to run in those data centres have something to work/prototype in their homes if they like.
I've been saying for a long time in these forums that gaming-wise we will get the short end of the stick with Vega because AMD is NOT gaming-focused right now. Vega is part of the 'attack on compute front' strategy. It has the TFLOPs to serve that market, a nice programming model, a full suite of software tools in MIopen and most of all: it is absolutely on time! Yes! Once you realise that it was not being built to compete for gaming but for the data centre, you will understand why it was important that it gets launched together with EPYC. You will also understand why AMD doesn't care if the gaming drivers are ready as long a MIopen is ready! In that context, Vega FE is a card you buy to evaluate the tech at home. Deep learning developers (like all developers) want to be able to prototype and work on 'pet projects' out side the office and that's the card for them.
I must say that is a very interesting viewpoint, and currently the most plausible. In such a sector you don't need mind share you simply need good products, unlike the graphics card industry. We know that they need money, and there is a lot of money in these markets. All those Tflops that currently aren't doing anything for gaming. Will be interesting to see how this goes forward.
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I love to see that the stock card is somehow possibly the best quality, overspec with 12 phase VRM but the noise levels are I guess going to be duplicated on Rx also. 40db is quite loud by my measure, on a nasty dusty old card I have here, its 38db at worst and often 30db only. I'm not greatly fussy as I play with in ear but I imagine a lot will not be happy with inefficient noisy fans like that. Again AMD does this on purpose I suppose
Are you the person who ages ago told us Vega was biased towards this new deep learning and general business use, gaming will be its second string
Yes, if you check my post history I've been saying that since several months ago...
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