Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[nashathedog]

The long term won't be a Threadripper type GPU in terms of monolithic packages on a substrate communicating but more like effectively dissecting the GPU into blocks of sub-systems and controllers in seperate packages using recent advances in substrate technology to be able to communicate fast enough between them to make it work with highly specialised and dedicated interconnects.

DRAM is about due a shrink to 1x nodes as well which should see a huge jump in capibilities.

It'll be interesting to see how things change over the next 4 or 5 years and how both Radeon & Nvidia keep us feeling the need for an upgrade, after all there's got to be a limit too what they can give as well as how much we need.

It would be rather funny if the vega cards they were using were actually FE cards but using RX drivers that are actually game optimised.

The people who bought a Radeon FE to both work and game on won't find it funny that they've had a purposely gimped card for the last month.

 

[melmac]

AMD are the ones who are launching these cards, the Frontier Edition has to stand on its own two feet, for considerably more cash then the RX gaming variant (we hope), if there is a major shift in performance, for either gaming or professional use, then at least that would be something..

Sorry, you are right, I should not have brought up Nvidia my apologies. I will remove it from my previous post. Thanks for pointing it out.

So what did you mean when you said

Ok so let's say that RX Vega arrives in a week and performs significantly better than the FE variant, what is that saying to all the people that paid a lot of money for said FE variant?

You are clearly implying that RX Vega been significantly faster than FE Vega in gaming will be a snub to said FE owners

 

[Gerard]

I'm really not sure i see much point to this "pepsi challenge" bs they have going on either. When it comes down to nut cutting time reviews and most importantly PRICING are whats going to make or break this card. They can trot it out to lans and constantly play bf1 (and for some reason that seems to be the only game they have running at these events) all they want, the amount of people that will see it or get hands on time is a minute fraction of the amount that will read reviews and base their decision to buy or not on those. Would be nice to even see how the card looks so there's some actual news for once but nope, just a cloak and dagger routine of guess the system going on.

 

[Gerard]

Do we actually know when RX vegawill be released or is it still not confirmed?

With how these things work there's probably about 35 nda's in place before they get to the nda about the nda of when it will finally release. Wouldn't surprise me if asking does the card come in a cardboard box is also under nda.

 

[JediFragger]

And unless they disclose the info they could be comparing it to a 1070...

 

[Mauller]

The people who bought a Radeon FE to both work and game on won't find it funny that they've had a purposely gimped card for the last month.

so would you consider the quadro line not getting the latest game profiles on release to be gimping?

It is a matter of driver stability with parts like Vega FE,considering the pro focus. They may not be certified, but they sure need to be stable still. If the gaming side of things just was not ready yet, how can you expect them to add completely bugged drivers on launch?

 

[Gerard]

And unless they disclose the info they could be comparing it to a 1070...

There's been a few tweets saying it was a 1080 from the event the other day. Just don't understand all this cloak and dagger ********, earlier this year they were showing it playing doom and showing frame rates. Now they're showing bf1 and not showing frame rates. Linus was able to show everyone the engineering sample card earlier this year, now they're not letting anyone seen the (presumably) final design..because showing a card will instantly let everyone know its performance it would seem.

I don't think its a stretch to say its more than likely the card will look like FE but with a different colour scheme. Why that is under the magic be all end all nda is anyone's guess.

 

[Confuzz]

The problem is that even those that had no brand loyalty but were simply waiting to see which company delivered them an upgrade stopped waiting and bought green. Nvidia had products to sell, AMD had lots of promises that led to disappointment when nothing (not even any info) was delivered. If you were an agnostic customer and needed a mid-high end card, the best AMD could offer was 480/580, while Nvidia had 1080/ti. You can't sell what you don't have.

Yep your spot on i got tired of waiting so i splashed out on a ti when they were £600 on amazon a few weeks back. I sold my fury for £280 thank you miners so it didnt cost to much for the upgrade. It will be interesting to see if this was a bad decision or not. I just wasnt confident that vega would be close to ti performance and available anytime soon to buy.

 

[Sh4rkie]

Yep your spot on i got tired of waiting so i splashed out on a ti when they were £600 on amazon a few weeks back. I sold my fury for £280 thank you miners so it didnt cost to much for the upgrade. It will be interesting to see if this was a bad decision or not. I just wasnt confident that vega would be close to ti performance and available anytime soon to buy.

Going to echo this word for word. I grabbed the £600 Evga card and sold the Fury because i wasn't prepared to wait it out for Vega to find out if it was similar money but not up to the Ti performance. Mine will possibly include moving on my 4k Freesync monitor and looking at 4k or 21:9 1440p g-sync monitor. It's going to be expensive but in my eyes AMD are just so far behind in terms of top end solutions but maybe that just isn't a market they are interested in.

 

[ltron]

Yep your spot on i got tired of waiting so i splashed out on a ti when they were £600 on amazon a few weeks back. I sold my fury for £280 thank you miners so it didnt cost to much for the upgrade. It will be interesting to see if this was a bad decision or not. I just wasnt confident that vega would be close to ti performance and available anytime soon to buy.

I think you're safe. It would be amazing if Vega turns out to be good given AMD's recent behaviour. It's almost as if they don't want you to buy it and wish it would disappear. Too slow and too expensive to make (big GPU with HBM 2). I hope I'm wrong, but even if it turns out to be great, AMD will face an uphill battle due to being out of the high end space for so long.

 

[shankly1985]

The guy who did the recording response on reddit
Hi Elmy here. It was the one on the right. Just announced it. It was the one I thought it was. When first glance I thought it was the left but after playing on them I changed to the one on the right.

 

[Gerard]

According to the guy who posted the YouTube vid, this time the system on the right was vega, and they're not disclosing what its up against at the lan..masters of marketing it would seem.

You have to think that if they had a superior card they would be shouting from the rooftops about it, instead they're doing some weird "Pepsi Challenge" bs on sync monitors to see if people can tell if whatever iteration of Vega of the 3 or so this is, against whatever happens to be in the other system...No system specs, no card info just "can you tell the difference".

Possibly the dumbest campaign I've seen in a while, how many attend these lans and how many will get hands on time? Few hundred maybe a thousand or so tops who will see it and even less who will get to play on the system. Now compare that to people on a global scale who will wait for reviews and pricing on launch day, the people that got to see it or play with it will be a tiny fraction of the people who will wait for reviews. So ultimately this was a waste of time, yet again yielded more questions than answers and amd continue with what they've been doing since the start of the year, stringing people along with vague BS nobody cares about.

 

[shankly1985]

According to the guy who posted the YouTube vid, this time the system on the right was vega, and they're not disclosing what its up against at the lan..masters of marketing it would seem.

You have to think that if they had a superior card they would be shouting from the rooftops about it, instead they're doing some weird "Pepsi Challenge" bs on sync monitors to see if people can tell if whatever iteration of Vega of the 3 or so this is, against whatever happens to be in the other system...No system specs, no card info just "can you tell the difference".

Possibly the dumbest campaign I've seen in a while, how many attend these lans and how many will get hands on time? Few hundred maybe a thousand or so tops who will see it and even less who will get to play on the system. Now compare that to people on a global scale who will wait for reviews and pricing on launch day, the people that got to see it or play with it will be a tiny fraction of the people who will wait for reviews. So ultimately this was a waste of time, yet again yielded more questions than answers and amd continue with what they've been doing since the start of the year, stringing people along with vague BS nobody cares about.

To be fair.. I don't think they doing this solely for RX Vega vs Nvidia GPU but also showing Freesync vs Gsync

AMD need to advertise Freesync and what a better way than sitting down people and saying can you tell a difference? Yet this Gsync Monitor cost X amount more.

That's how I seeing this testing! Its a bigger picture.

 

[Gerard]

To be fair.. I don't think they doing this solely for RX Vega vs Nvidia GPU but also showing Freesync vs Gsync

AMD need to advertise Freesync and what a better way than sitting down people and saying can you tell a difference? Yet this Gsync Monitor cost X amount more.

That's how I seeing this testing! Its a bigger picture.

The problem is we've been here before with polaris. Was meant to be a better chip than it turned out to be so amd went with "this is a disruptive product" spiel. This is along those lines, seemingly not as fast as 1080 ti but they're shifting the focus onto this side by side comparison they've been doing while all the while not even saying what iteration of vega it is, whats in the vega system and what is the gpu and system its competing against. Doesn't matter if people can tell the difference or not, what matters is what the setups are and what prices are involved. With amd not even saying wtf its competing against in the side by side you have to wonder what they're hiding and why they're shifting the focus from raw numbers to vague comparisons with no basis to them.

Wouldn't be the first time amd\nvidia\intel\ati have launched a turd and put some dramatic spin on it like that's what it was intended to be, this appears to be another one of those instances.

 

[silversurfer]

Isnt Fury for 280 not that bad, compared to rx580 for 400 or so sounds a bargain.

The point with Pepsi taste challenge is the overall system, its the opposite of those high fluting benchmarks. If it feels the same, plays the same, so are you going to pay another $300 on top for gsync setup could the AMD byline to it? Raja said ages ago 2017 is the year they'll make a 4k complete system work for under 1k
Thats my impression, some will pay 300 more because they prefer nvidia with various reasons, maybe quite valid ones. Heat and power would seem most obvious not sure of the rest beyond obviously being first to the post.

Actually I prefer Dr Pepper :[]

The problem is we've been here before with polaris. Was meant to be a better chip than it turned out to be

AMD is probably fine with Polaris, with Vega they have it set for half a dozen destinations.
I imagine they'll be happy enough if at least a few of those targets hit home with the intended audience, but its unlikely for everyone Vega is their #1 choice.

 

[WeSbO]

Isnt Fury for 280 not that bad, compared to rx580 for 400 or so sounds a bargain.

The point with pepsi taste challenge is the overall system, its the opposite of those high fluting benchmarks. If it feels the same, plays the same, so are you going to pay another $300 on top for gsync setup could the AMD byline to it? Raja said ages ago 2017 is the year they'll make a 4k complete system work for under 1k
Thats my impression, some will pay 300 more because they prefer nvidia with various reasons, maybe quite valid ones. Heat and power would seem most obvious not sure of the rest beyond obviously being first to the post.

Actually I prefer Dr Pepper :[]

The comparison is a valid point, but the problem is that they are limiting their target audience by just marketing it like this. They aren't targeting the owners who already own an FS monitor, they aren't targeting the people who aren't really interested in a FS monitor but who would potentially purchase a card (like myself), and they aren't convincing anyone who already owns a GS monitor.

It's really a limiting way of marketing, and somewhat disingenuous, using one product to sell another product isn't the best way to go imo, especially to justify a price point, it's seeding the idea that "oh i'm going to have to buy something else to go with it for it to work efficiently otherwise it will be meh" coz that is what they are showing people with this way of marketing, and that's a big no no because it's not really inciting a 'dual" product purchase to those who wasn't already considering it, as much as it is showing it needs it... Joint product marketing only really works for new CPU platforms, because it's a platform.

Those who already want FS don't need that much convincing really, coz they already know this is the only new solution if they want to use FS (I mean some people have bought a FS monitor for Vega already, before release)

 

[Gerard]

Just comes off as very shady to me, here's a system with a Vega gpu in it, this one has an Nvidia gpu in it, and that's literally all the info they're giving. As if components don't matter that make up the system and what version of Vega is it and what are they comparing it to. Just too much cloak and dagger bs going on.

At least with the fe they showed both systems and what was in them and there was a 30 or so minute video showing this, what makes the rx so different that there's some veil of secrecy surrounding these comparisons?

 

[old gamer]

just feels well dodgy, with ryzen they were showing off belnder and how much faster it was than intel but vega nothing

 

[mid_gen]

The comparison is a valid point, but the problem is that they are limiting their target audience by just marketing it like this. They aren't targeting the owners who already own an FS monitor, they aren't targeting the people who aren't really interested in a FS monitor but who would potentially purchase a card (like myself), and they aren't convincing anyone who already owns a GS monitor.

It's really a limiting way of marketing, and somewhat disingenuous, using one product to sell another product isn't the best way to go imo, especially to justify a price point, it's seeding the idea that "oh i'm going to have to buy something else to go with it for it to work efficiently otherwise it will be meh" coz that is what they are showing people with this way of marketing, and that's a big no no because it's not really inciting a 'dual" product purchase to those who wasn't already considering it, as much as it is showing it needs it... Joint product marketing only really works for new CPU platforms, because it's a platform.

Those who already want FS don't need that much convincing really, coz they already know this is the only new solution if they want to use FS (I mean some people have bought a FS monitor for Vega already, before release)

Freesync will be coming to TV's shortly, it's the last tick-box in my 4K upgrade checklist. It's a factor in my decision.

I cannot see TV manufacturers going with GSync. I'd say there's a good chance the Xbox One X going FS is the decisive nail in the coffin for GSync.

 

[Brazo]

I'm assuming reviews will be available before it's available to buy? Like the 1080ti launch?




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