Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[N19h7m4r3]

Finished it many times but don't like the sequel.

There is more to gaming than pretty graphics, unfortunately these days game devs forget about game play.

Not sure, Witcher 3 hit all the spots for me in an RPG nearly since Baldur's Gate 2; and it was pretty.

 

[Steampunk]

Their ability to contain any facts and specifications for Vega has been masterful but their ability to contain expectations or opinions has been horrible.

That's it in a nutshell. Yes you want to keep things quiet to not tip off your competitors or kill your own sales, but you also want to encourage new sales and get people to wait for your product over the alternatives. AMD have managed to do the opposite by getting potential customers to give up and go to Nvidia as they keep making promises and then failing to deliver for far, far too long.

 

[nashathedog]

Not seen that any where. AFAIK Freesync is just the driver and Freesync 2 is almost like the original other than having HDR support and trying to eliminate some latency by giving AMD more control over stuff rather than having a 2 way handshake. Something about making the monitor do as less work as possible which will be through the drivers aka Freesync 2. I don't see anywhere which suggests AMD have a standard or manufacturers have to get AMDs approval.
Won't it actually say Freesync 2 on it aswell though? It would get mighty confusing if it said freesync and people may think its got HDR support too.

Freesync 2 is supposed to have a more rigorous test for approval by AMD.

The HDR stuff moves all tone mapping to the GPU end and out of the monitor. The monitor and GPU handshake, with the monitor telling the GPU its capabilities, the GPU then tone maps down to the format the monitor requested requiring no further tone mapping on the monitors end.

With current HDR setups, the signal needs tone mapping after entering the monitor as the tone mapping of the signal is often out of range of the monitors capabilities. But GPU's already perform tone mapping before sending a signal, so instead of double tone mapping occurring, it all just happens in the GPU with the requested Tone map from the monitor/display.

Can you link me where i can read this stuff about AMD needing to approve i'm interested because it's what let Freesync down. Letting monitor manufacturers have control too much.

I really hope that you are right regarding Freesync 2 and before people start yelling about the control being the same as gsync i would like to point out that anyone is still completely free to just brand their screen adaptive sync ready and be supported where as that is really not an option with gsync.

There's a big article on it floating around somewhere, I'll try to find it, LFC support is one of the demands AMD put's on Freesync 2.

 

[Freddie1980]

I think the biggest indication that this is a paper launch is the lack of a winky thread from Gibbo!

Not even AMD would be silly enough to launch Vega alongside Threadripper , once all the noise has gone down from TR expect

Finished it many times but don't like the sequel.

There is more to gaming than pretty graphics, unfortunately these days game devs forget about game play.

Are you playing with any mods? I was hooked on that game for years and loved the SPQR mod.

 

[nashathedog]

So far I've found this,

Earlier I mentioned that FreeSync 2 is really a collection of several idea/features, and while HDR is certainly the marquee feature of FreeSync 2, it’s not the only feature. With FreeSync 2 AMD will also be tightening the standards for what variable refresh functionality that approved monitors need to support.

As a result, AMD has tightened the standards for FreeSync 2. All FreeSync 2 certified monitors will be required to support LFC, which in turn means they’ll need to support a wide enough range of refresh rates to meet the technology’s requirements. Consequently, anyone who buys a FreeSync 2 monitor will be guaranteed to get the best variable refresh experience on an AMD setup, as opposed to the less consistent presence of LFC on today’s FreeSync monitors.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10967...improving-ease-lowering-latency-of-hdr-gaming

This was discussed somewhere in the monitor section when it was first announced but I haven't found the thread yet.

 

[old gamer]

[QUOTE="Kaapstad,

There is more to gaming than pretty graphics, unfortunately these days game devs forget about game play.[/QUOTE]


absolutely spot on, one game springs to mind mario kart on the snes, nothing much to look at but probably one of the best racing games of all time imo

 

[TheRealDeal]

Finished it many times but don't like the sequel.

There is more to gaming than pretty graphics, unfortunately these days game devs forget about game play.

You would save a lot of mony just buying a potato PC to play them on though

All that power you have is meant for pretty games.

 

[five8five]

Guys guys calm down, few more days and you will have your answers. No need to turn this release into a freakin drama i say

I think it was AMD that did that! Maybe they're trying to troll us

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Isn't that what Raja actually said? I recall him saying that if you're buying card to play games, you'll be better waiting for RX Vega, no?

Yes he did, but on their FE product page, they say you can just buy an FE to play games on.

 

[HRL]

Except the quadro counterparts still have similar gaming performance to the GeForce ones - https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-quadro-p6000-and-p5000-workstation-gpu-reviews?page=6

You're missing my point unfortunately. What I was pointing out was that although you could game on a P5000 it wasn't sold nor marketed as gamers card.

Whether or not Nvidia's P5000 is as powerful as a 1080GTX is neither here nor there.

Just my 2p. I'm happy to wait and see what RX Vega is like in a week or two. Only a fool would buy a FE specifically to play games with it with RX Vega just around the corner. You know, RX Vega, the AMD card being marketed for gamers.

 

[flea-rider]

Finished it many times but don't like the sequel.

There is more to gaming than pretty graphics, unfortunately these days game devs forget about game play.

this is very true .. best part about a game is when your not playing but thinking of ways you could beat it ..

 

[TheRealDeal]

Yes he did, but on their FE product page, they say you can just buy an FE to play games on.

Lets put this to bed.

Under the gaming tab these are listed.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb/component...8b302d5d-718d-4253-a50b-6574e7b8e10c={"k":""}

Under the professional tag these are listed.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb/business/pro-graphics

Note under the gaming tag there is no FE card.

Try it for yourself.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb

It's not aimed at gamer's and they specifically said that. If you want to game on it you can but Raja said if all you want to do is game then wait for the Rx card. This really is not rocket science.

 

[andybird123]

You're missing my point unfortunately. What I was pointing out was that although you could game on a P5000 it wasn't sold nor marketed as gamers card.

Whether or not Nvidia's P5000 is as powerful as a 1080GTX is neither here nor there.

Just my 2p. I'm happy to wait and see what RX Vega is like in a week or two. Only a fool would buy a FE specifically to play games with it with RX Vega just around the corner. You know, RX Vega, the AMD card being marketed for gamers.

No one is missing your point, but a lot of people are clinging to the idea that the FE is in some way inferior to the RX for gaming and pointing to the nvidia equivalent as an example. Unfortuneately for that line of thinking, the Nvidia professional cards are on par or better than their gaming equivalent.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Yeah time it was just put to bed tbh.

I Just Want to Game
If you want to game on a Windows® platform, get your driver here and switch to “Gaming Mode.”

https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/

 

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah time it was just put to bed tbh.



https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/

I just want to game could mean i have finished my work for today and just want to game. Note it's the last thing on the list. If it was a gaming card that sentence would not be in there full stop as it would obviously be a gaming card. That sentence is there to let people know the card can be used for gaming as well.

I mean that whole page is about pro but there is one line about gaming so it must be a gaming card. Come on even for your sarcasm you are not this daft surely.

 

[andybird123]

I just want to game could mean i have finished my work for today and just want to game. Note it's the last thing on the list. If it was a gaming card that sentence would not be in there full stop as it would obviously be a gaming card. That sentence is there to let people know the card can be used for gaming as well.

If it was purely being marketed as a professional card it wouldnt be there at all and gaming mode drivers wouldnt exist.

It also wouldnt have found its way in to the hands of reviewers who predominently do gaming hardware reviews and not professional card reviews.

 

[TheRealDeal]

If it was purely being marketed as a professional card it wouldnt be there at all and gaming mode drivers wouldnt exist.

Nobody is disputing you can use it for gaming but read the page and come back and tell me it's aimed at gamer's. they have said wait for the gaming RX which will be cheaper and faster. How much faster i don't know. This FE card makes no sense for gamer's and it's not marketed for it.

 

[Defiant306]

No one is missing your point, but a lot of people are clinging to the idea that the FE is in some way inferior to the RX for gaming and pointing to the nvidia equivalent as an example. Unfortuneately for that line of thinking, the Nvidia professional cards are on par or better than their gaming equivalent.

What you said makes me thing the FE is as good as its going to get baring driver improvements in future and there has been a lot of speculation that its taken this long to release due to them already starting on those driver efficiencies. Which is worry if true since it mean less improvements in the future, I'm team who gives me what I want performance wise at the price I'm willing to pay.

If the FE is as good as it gets (Considering we have seen many a benchmark) I wont be buying the 'gaming' version which from all accounts will have some stuff cut from it to get that $1000+ cost down for gamers to be able to buy it.

Not looking good in my eyes, but I will eat my hat (If I had one) if my thinking is wrong.

 

[Jono8]

You're missing my point unfortunately. .

So what is your point? The whole basis of your point is on the subject of RX Vega being better than the FE because the FE is not marketed as a gaming card.

 

[shankly1985]

Lets put this to bed.

Under the gaming tab these are listed.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb/components/graphic-cards#4092cec5-70d9-430c-996d-d27ae5b3c64d={"k":"","s":11}#07d581e8-2705-447a-a624-1149cfacc8b7={"k":""}#8b302d5d-718d-4253-a50b-6574e7b8e10c={"k":""}

Under the professional tag these are listed.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb/business/pro-graphics

Note under the gaming tag there is no FE card.

Try it for yourself.

http://shop.amd.com/en-gb

It's not aimed at gamer's and they specifically said that. If you want to game on it you can but Raja said if all you want to do is game then wait for the Rx card. This really is not rocket science.

Yep this is going on far to much now, it really isn't hard to understand.