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To be able to use the frontier to test games in order to optimise then surely it needs to work just as good as gaming vega?
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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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OFC,its most likely the gaming drivers are not in a final state,yet AMD still released gaming drivers for the card - at least put a disclaimer in there saying gaming performance is not final.
PCPER have apparently bought some cards,so I really hope AMD try and provide some better drivers for them,since if PCPER tests them and the drivers have the same issues as what this chap is having it won't be some random chap,but a major review website.
I suspect it might be more a card for devs to test out certain new features,etc when making their games,so the drivers are functional but seriously AMD should have tried and not make any comments about gaming performance.
I get ya, but Raja clearly stated it will support gaming drivers. To avoid this marketing flop, they should not have shipped it with Gaming mode/drivers off the bat.
They certainly shouldn't have hard launched and not sampled any proper reviewers either. Send the cards to reputable reviewers, get results out, and hard launch next week.
Instead we have no proper reviews, cards all over the place in the hands of people; and completely unfinished drivers.
As the one chap with a FE mentioned, he saw no difference between Pro mode and Gaming mode for performance.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...gies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqnsgo/?context=3
This.
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I get ya, but Raja clearly stated it will support gaming drivers. To avoid this marketing flop, they should not have shipped it with Gaming mode/drivers off the bat.
They certainly shouldn't have hard launched and not sampled any proper reviewers either. Send the cards to reputable reviewers, get results out, and hard launch next week.
Instead we have no proper reviews, cards all over the place in the hands of people; and completely unfinished drivers.
As the one chap with a FE mentioned, he saw no difference between Pro mode and Gaming mode for performance.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...gies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqnsgo/?context=3
By "lower priced, gaming optimised" I'm taking that as meaning half the ram.
By all means, if you want to go with that guys testing, be my guest. I would sooner wait for people who do this for a living. I would sooner wait for gaming Vega in realitySorry but again what........
The guy's PC is perfectly good, people are acting like he has a pentium CPU and 4GB of RAM...... he has an i7 4790k, 16gb ram, m.2 256GB card etc. Hardly a slouch lol...... His PSU is not a problem as already posted a few pages back unless it is a crap or/and very old PSU but again, the pc would be turning off or something if there was an issue.....
He has also posted all the screenshots of cpuz, gpuz etc.
What else will 'pro' reviewers do differently other than placing the card in an open case system with a bare minimum clean install of windows and running it with with £500+ CPU, £200+ mb etc? Which is not the norm for most PC gaming systems.....
Stop making out like benching/gaming with an overlay on is rocket science
The only thing that could be messed up on his end are drivers.
If I'm recalling it right early last year the general consensus was that AMD was going to give the high end a miss rather than try and create a big Polaris chip, That way they could focus on giving us a good product in Vega this year, From the look of the FE I think we'd of been better off with a big Polaris chip and GDDR5.
I think it's going to be up to the board partners to save the day. At least if they can offer good cooling and good quality components so it can keep a 1600 clock it won't be a total loss.
Also, I'm glad I kept my 850 watt psu.
I have an 850W supply too, so will easily be enough.
Does make you wonder about a larger Polaris though.
With some minor tweaks, they could have probably fit 5000 Polaris cores in 500mm2, and running at 1350-1400 Mhz with 11 GHz GDDR5X that would likely be a very decent GPU.
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Interesting the FE edition is branded as "AMD" rather then repackaged by a board partner like Sapphire or Gigabyte. Does that mean the warranty is managed directly with AMD?
Interesting that OCUK doesn't have any in stock but continental resellers do. COMPETITOR LINK
https://www.caseking.de/amd-radeon-...c&utm_campaign=geizhals&campaign=psm/geizhals
Interesting that OCUK doesn't have any in stock but continental resellers do. COMPETITOR LINK
https://www.caseking.de/amd-radeon-...c&utm_campaign=geizhals&campaign=psm/geizhals
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The problem is PCPER have bought some of the cards and if the gaming drivers are not quite yet there,it will be a major review site during tests not some random chap on Reddit.
AMD need to really get on top of this quick as they have had a lot of goodwill from Ryzen despite the initial issues,but they have always had a much bigger mountain to climb when it comes to graphics cards.
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This would not be such an issue if the card launched late last year but the GTX1080 has been out since last May and the Titan X since late last year. They need to try and get the launched done as well as they can,otherwise it will be a whole load of people buying Ryzen and Threadripper based systems and buying Nvidia cards. They have a real chance to use some of the CPU goodwill to get more people to buy their graphics card,and they are not doing themselves any favours doing half baked launches like this and this is not a cheapo card,its £1000.
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So all this vega waiting and waiting for 1070 performance and more heat.
Gotta suck big time for AMD fans.
Especially when Volta is around the corner too!
Gotta suck big time for AMD fans.
Especially when Volta is around the corner too!
Yes, Raja confirmed Radeon RX will have 8GB; and they'd look into 16GB after people at the AMA asked more about it.
Cat is right. Once the reviews are officially out there, they stick. They're launch day reviews, and many places just recycle those results in the coming months and years when reviewing newer GPUs.
AMD had to relaunch the RX 480 as the 580 to get away from the abysmal launch day reviews where the 480 was competing against the 970, and not the 980/1060.
Someone at HQ needs to sort out the damn GPU marketing department, this launch is a massive flop that's severely hurting AMD in the eyes of the internet. It's spreading like wild fire. "Vega barely faster than FuryX/1070, can barely get close to 1080"
Public perception and mindshare is extremely important. This entire launch could have been handled better by people on this forum; compared to the folks at RTG marketing.
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Decent but not competitive it would still have all the flaws of that architecture in that most games just wouldn't be able to use all those cores it offers due the use of command lists and CPU overhead. This is why I'm not getting to worked up over Vega, AMD must have addressed all the weaknesses of it's previous designs otherwise why both wasting all this time getting Vega to market?
I see was not aware of that. Do you have any links? would like to get up to date on it. Thanks for pointing it out.
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I just don't believe the numbers are indicative of RX Vega's actual gaming performance as there worse then their last design and it has the benefit of HBM and a massive die shrink as well all the other advantages of a new design brings (not to mention the performance numbers we've seen are worse then them demo's AMD showed at Computex and CES). I mean if AMD does get Vega running decently but takes 6 months to year of constant driver improvements then I would count this as a flop but if they can get the software sorted for August release and we can see what Vega can do from the out the gates then we can get excited.
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Definitely.
In the livestream last night we saw the FE benched in games holding a 1600mhz clock by the Jerico Jerico on youtube. It wasn't doing well, He got it to hold the 1600 clock by ramping the fan's, and using additional fan's on it, It drew a lot of power 300+ and it took a lot to keep it cool to hold the clock.
RX Vega will hopefully be able to hold the clock but even then I doubt it's going to be that different in terms of performance, So it looks like the win some & lose some against the 1080 prediction is just about right.
Based on the FE the safe move is to judge performance between the 1070 & 1080 in order to avoid disappointment.
As long as it isn't overpriced I think it'll be a great 1440p & uw1440 card which is all I need.
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They keep doing this,and unlike Nvidia they don't have the mindshare to gloss over issues like this and TBH Nvidia still delivers when it comes to the performance,and the fact of the matter is the GTX1080 has been out for just over a year,and the Titan X since late last year. FFS,its better if they paper launched this and spent another few weeks trying to polish the drivers. I really hope they have brushed up on the drivers by the time PCPER review the cards,or at least are close to launching the gaming cards(with better drivers).
That is the last GTX1080TI review from TPU in May. So how can a 4096 shader Vega based GPU running at 1300MHZ to 1600MHZ be barely faster than a GTX1070 or a Fury X running at 1050MHZ?? I mean the GPU is around 500MM2 on a 14NM process and the Fiji GPU was around 600MM2 on a less denser 28NM process,and that level of performance would indicate horrible performance per mm2 and per transistor and even if that included additional hardware need for non-gaming usage.
Yet another rushed AMD launch with some blasted issue which is most likely a driver issue.
Fury X all over again.
Gotta love AMD for the LOL's at least.
Fury X competed at least, and was 5-10% slower than 980Ti, and matched it in 4K.
Vega Frontier Edition is barely beating an overclocked Fury X while having 30-50% Clock speed advantage, smaller process, and higher TDP.
They ruined this launch entirely, silly buggers.
I agree and hence my last sentance "I would sooner wait for gaming vega in reality" I can really see this harming AMD as well when PCPer etc start testing and agreed, it will stick but hopefully they use some common sense and install into people that these cards are professional cards and gaming cards WILL deliver better performance.
I am not putting much, if any thought into his results as:
1. Drivers are still not final and anyone who has half a brain or is interested in computers should know how much they can impact the end result, just look at Amd's fine wine tuning of cards especially for the fury..... We still have another 1/2 months until gaming Vega arrives
2. The card is not primarily designed for gaming
But for the people who are putting so much into his testing and then coming up with any old excuse for the lack of good news I.e. his pc not being up to the task, him not knowing what he's doing despite his posting history and everything else showing he knows just as much as anyone on here etc. is embarrassing to be honest. Like I said, most people on here will not be running a system like the so called 'pro' reviewers nor will the conditions be the same as these 'pro' setups i.e. an open case bench system with a clean install etc.....
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