• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
Status
Not open for further replies.
Chuk_Chuk said:
I should have paid more attention. (c) Sounds like the CPU using the HBM as a cache for system RAM rather than drives on the system. Which sounds awesome, and would probably be really easy to do.
(b), is very interesting. In theory if they could get that working with the same scaling as the CPUs; Nvidia could actually be in trouble.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, even us we paid attention, and wrote it in this forum numerous times, got vilified. (even if the video is still there).
And I did show some understanding initially because, when Raja said those things for Vega, Ryzen was 2 months away and not many understood what he was talking about, including myself.

However 3 months after the Ryzen CPU launch, and 6 months after Raja's statement, you don't have to go away from this very thread to see the technical ignorance of many.
And sheer inability to learn.
 
Steampunk said:
Well they've just released a new card with most of the new performance features disabled, and not said why. We've also seen AMD hold their cards very close to their chests for a few years now, with no leaks, and a tight hold on any meaningful information. I think Adored is just wrong, and he makes a lot of assumptions on zero evidence.
Click to expand...

Its not being about being wrong and right - some here just excuse make for AMD repeatingly making schoolbuy errors when launching graphics cards,and they seem to be ignorant of how it makes AMD look outside of tech forums.

Adored has always talked about mindshare since he is looking at a bigger picture and what AMD keeps doing is not helping improve their mindshare in graphics.

We all know the standard AMD graphics card release:
1.)Release the card with some issue which makes it look worse than it is
2.)Lots of reviews and articles showing this as a result
3.)AMD fix the issue and the product looks solid
4.)Sadly,by then first impressions count and Nvidia still gets most of the sales.

Even JHH said a lot of their graphics sales are in the mainstream,and AMD has always had competitive mainstream cards - the only thing that can explain this is that Nvidia seems to be able to manage launching things in a more positive manner.

This is why they have plummeted to between 17% to 30% marketshare since lots of people apparently will buy Nvidia cards.

To put this in context even with the 2000 series ATI still had a bigger share of the market,so ATI had greater mindshare.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its not being about being wrong and right - some here just excuse make for AMD repeatingly making schoolbuy errors when launching graphics cards.

We all know the standard AMD graphics card release:
1.)Release the card with some issue which makes it look worse than it is
2.)Lots of reviews and articles showing this as a result
3.)AMD fix the issue and the product looks solid
4.)Sadly,by then first impressions count and Nvidia still gets most of the sales.

This is why they have plummeted to between 17% to 30% marketshare since lots of people apparently will buy Nvidia cards. To put this in context even with the 2000 series ATI still had a bigger share of the market.
Click to expand...

No mate. Is the stupidity on the internet. If some do not understand the "Is not the gaming card", nothing can save them even from their daily lives.
On past times they would have be eaten by the wildlife already.
 
BREAKING NEWS

News leaking from RTG tell's us that due to the Infinity fabric's matrix design and the negative press now surrounding the name RX Vega they are renaming the flagship which is now being called the RX Nevercanever.
 
nashathedog said:
BREAKING NEWS

News leaking from RTG tell's us that due to the Infinity fabric's matrix design and the negative press now surrounding the name RX Vega they are renaming the flagship which is now being called the RX Nevercanever.
Click to expand...

Give this troll a cookie someone.
 
Panos said:
Give this troll a cookie someone.
Click to expand...

Err Trolls don't eat cookies that's Santa.

EDIT:
Plus there's no need for name calling, It was obviously a joke
Maybe you should take a step back and get out while the weather's good,
chill out a bit and get the blood pressure down.
 
Last edited:
Panos said:
No mate. Is the stupidity on the internet. If some do not understand the "Is not the gaming card", nothing can save them even from their daily lives.
On past times they would have be eaten by the wildlife already.
Click to expand...

They talk about gaming on the website("if you just want to game") and most of the demos in the last 7 months were about gaming. Plus you just have admitted Nvidia knows how to sell their products - "if people are stupid" as you say,then it seems Nvidia knows most of the market well and seems to cater for them. This is why they are selling so many cards,even in shrinking market and making mega bucks.

Maybe AMD needs to assume most of the market is stupid,and change their PR,perhaps they will improve their brand image.

Excuse making for AMD is not going to help them - even with the Fury,etc they still had just under 20% of the market and they are just above 29% of the market now. You do realise with the 2000 series and HD3000 series,ATI had MORE marketshare despite the G92?? ATI knew how to manage PR better and people trusted them more.
 
nashathedog said:
Only the most inept people in the business would think that, Every nerd on the planet was sat on the edge of their seat in anticipation for the FE's gaming prowess to be shown so that we could get an idea how the same chip would do in RX Vega.
Click to expand...

I know that, and you know that, but it's not inconceivable that some product manager at AMD decided that it was better to produce no results (rather than bad results) until gaming drivers were ready. After all, FE is not a gaming card is it? But I think to do this silently is a mistake, as people will still make a lot of assumptions and show bad/absent results that can tarnish the whole Vega product line as rumours and misinformation fly around the internet like wildfire.

I've said it plenty of times before, AMD need to get their own message out there, instead of just allowing everyone else to decide the narrative of what's going on. AMD have to manage their customers' expectations, which they are just not doing where Vega is concerned. Maybe they shouldn't have linked FE and RX together by using the same Vega moniker on both of them.
 
Last edited:
Steampunk said:
I know that, and you know that, but it's not inconceivable that some product manager at AMD decided that it was better to produce no results (rather than bad results) until gaming drivers were ready. After all, FE is not a gaming card is it? But I think to do this silently is a mistake, as people will still make a lot of assumptions and show bad/absent results that can tarnish the whole Vega product line as rumours and misinformation fly around the internet like wildfire.

I've said it plenty of times before, AMD need to get their own message out there, instead of just allowing everyone else to decide the narrative of what's going on. AMD have to manage their customers' expectations, which they are just not doing where Vega is concerned.
Click to expand...

This,and Nvidia does it much better. They realised this well over a decade ago after the FX disaster(look at what they attempted back then on forums,etc).

Edit!!

The reason why some of us are this annoyed about all of this,is this almost like a meme with AMD card launches.

They always manage to find some way to generate some kind of negative PR around a new card launch.
 
Not seen this thread for a while but......is Vega still not out yet? Hickin yell.
Personally reckon they're better off focusing on their CPU's for now which is what they seem to be doing.

JediFragger said:
We also know that nVidia get to know way ahead of us what the performance level is likely to be (partners sharing info etc) SO this may be a part of a new strategy to keep things from them :)
Click to expand...
I don't think NV have much to be worried about anyway - they're well ahead of the game and could just chuck a load of money at new development if they were surprised.
Having said that, if all the threadripper stuff becomes reality maybe they have surprised, at least in the CPU world
Also remember the reverse is likely to be true, AMD probably know NV developments too - even more so as they hit the market years before AMD GPU's :D
 
nashathedog said:
Nevermind, It was meant to put a smile on people's face's rather than there being a constant doom and gloom atmosfear but I never could tell a joke right.
Click to expand...

The problem is that even if RX Vega has a decent increase in gaming performance,after this release it almost gives the perception(again) of AMD having "to fix" an issue with a new product,even though its more down to AMD releasing the card with subpar drivers(again).
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The reason why some of us are this annoyed about all of this,is this almost like a meme with AMD card launches.

They always manage to find some way to generate some kind of negative PR around a new card launch.
Click to expand...

Yep. Every. Goddamn. Time. Facepalm after facepalm. And what's worse is the products are good, well priced, well supported, but AMD just can't get their act together when it comes to marketing a release properly. Doesn't matter how many nice wallpaoers and flashy youtube videos you make if you've allowed the product to get tarnished by poor results at launch time while you hole up silently in your HQ.
 
Steampunk said:
I know that, and you know that, but it's not inconceivable that some product manager at AMD decided that it was better to produce no results (rather than bad results) until gaming drivers were ready. After all, FE is not a gaming card is it? But I think to do this silently is a mistake, as people will still make a lot of assumptions and show bad/absent results that can tarnish the whole Vega product line as rumours and misinformation fly around the internet like wildfire.

I've said it plenty of times before, AMD need to get their own message out there, instead of just allowing everyone else to decide the narrative of what's going on. AMD have to manage their customers' expectations, which they are just not doing where Vega is concerned. Maybe they shouldn't have linked FE and RX together by using the same Vega moniker on both of them.
Click to expand...

You're right, Unanswered assumptions tend to get repeated like facts weeks down the line.
 
Steampunk said:
Yep. Every. Goddamn. Time. Facepalm after facepalm. And what's worse is the products are good, well priced, well supported, but AMD just can't get their acts together when it comes to marketing a release properly.
Click to expand...

Some of us(like me) are annoyed since we want AMD to do well,and we as enthusiasts will give them more leeway as we understand what situation they are financially,etc but they are fighting Nvidia who are very clued up when it comes to selling and marketing their products,and have a massive mindshare as a result. Remember this is the very same PR who immediately realised the R9 290X stock cooler in quiet mode would throttle so started sending out cards to reviews THEY PAID FOR,saying they found this issue.

AMD can't afford to give Nvidia any leeway - ATI could since even though they had missteps too,they also had some awesome releases from day one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom