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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Or just brute force clock to somewhere around 2.2 ghz... hahaha. Won't happen, it'll be a Vega that can go to 1750/1800 on water or something like that
 
AMDPower said:
I wanted to get the Hype Train back on track after its disasterous ending

AMD Working On 14nm+ Vega 2.0 To Compete With NVIDIA’s Volta In 2018

http://wccftech.com/amd-working-14nm-vega-2-0-compete-nvidias-volta-2018/

Shall i make a new thread named VEGA 2.0 HYPE TRAIN?:D:D:D


It will most probably be as fast as 1080TI but need 700w of power lol
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It has to beat Pascal first. It needs a 30% improvement in performance and a drastic improvement in efficiency to hang in with the 1080ti. I am sure Volta is going to demolish every form of Vega till Navi.
 
One scenario where HBCC might be useful is when you want to load huge amounts of textures. Or for those who run lots of mods and run low on vram.

If HBCC is something AMD can code for in drivers rather than developers having to code for in game, it will be a usual feature.
 
D.P. said:
That is wrong. The license fee and module is likely around $30 in cost and if nvidia feel threatened could give the module away for free.
You are also wrong about the monitor costs themselves. If a Manufacturer want to deign and build a monitor for Gsync then there is no real additional design work required beyond a freesync monitor. What freesync can do is take an old monitor design that has VRR and add support via firmware (which has a cost of course). With Gsync it would depend upon the design of the existing monitor, if there is already space for the module then it will simply be inserted. But for a new monitor, then there is no extra design cost.

The cost difference between gsync and Freesync is almost entirely purely down to the price the market will bare. Gysync buyers don't mind pay more money for a gsync monitor.
Freesyn monitors also cost more than non-sync monitors, just they have to sell them with a lower margin to be competitive.
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The module is $30 and that's completely separate from the License fee.

Second, there was Q&A article with an LG monitor rep last year on Hardforum, The Gsync module is large and needs a custom design, it's an added cost for a one run monitor. You can't use the same design for a non Gsync monitor. Whereas with Freesync, you can use the same monitor shell for multiple monitors.
 
TheRealDeal said:
It's a decent start. Will be interesting to see what kind of benefits it brings. You can bet if it's a decent step NV will bring this in with Volta.
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Volta might already be finalised, how easily would it be to add in. Work smarter certainly sounds hype train worthy :D people may have mistaken the train path by simply the tracks laid :p

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TheRealDeal said:
This article explains why G-Sync is more costly.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3129...ia-g-sync-on-monitor-selection-and-price.html
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Makes sense
 
melmac said:
The module is $30 and that's completely separate from the License fee.

Second, there was Q&A article with an LG monitor rep last year on Hardforum, The Gsync module is large and needs a custom design, it's an added cost for a one run monitor. You can't use the same design for a non Gsync monitor. Whereas with Freesync, you can use the same monitor shell for multiple monitors.
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Yep posted the link above.
 
I do wonder if AMD aren't going to pull something out of a hat soon.

Ryzen + Vega APU with 16GB+ HBM2 unified memory.

That would actually be a game changer for PC gaming. Wouldn't bet against Microsoft and AMD being in cahoots on this already with the way MS are merging their platforms.
 
melmac said:
The module is $30 and that's completely separate from the License fee.

Second, there was Q&A article with an LG monitor rep last year on Hardforum, The Gsync module is large and needs a custom design, it's an added cost for a one run monitor. You can't use the same design for a non Gsync monitor. Whereas with Freesync, you can use the same monitor shell for multiple monitors.
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Purchase of the module includes the license fee, both together are around $30.


Plenty of gsync monitors just have the module shoved int eh back without any modifications. The modification to accommodate a Gsync module are very minor, the same screen can happily be used for freesync or no-sync monitors.

The Q&A with LG has a lot of people quoting it without context. With the context it is clear, if you have some very thin design chassis and the gsync module doesn't fit then you have to have a re-design and custom chassis, then it might no be worth it. IF your chassis already accommodates the module then there is no work to be done./ If you are designing a new monitor then it is trivial to add space for the gsync module without affecting anything else.
 
With the 480 AMD just wanted to gain market share in the mid tier space. The space where most people buy at.

With Vega the idea is similar but this time to attack the 1080 and the 1070.

A lack of a 1080ti alternative although disappointing clearly wasn't part of the plan.

Maybe the market for these cards are just not that big?

The more I read in to it the more I think I might end up buying a Vega. AMD claim minimum fps will be higher with Vega 64 than with the 1080. HBCC and FP16 as well as better support for DX12 and Vulkan are all very appealing to me.

Yes, Volta is obviously going to be after. But so will it be faster than a 1080, if I opt to buy one of those instead of Vega. At least with Vega you get more than just a 1080 with a red badge.

Any how we need to see benchmarks!
 
I honestly would have bought a 480/580 as a stop gap card if they hadn't gone orbital with the price :( Even second hand prices have gone stupid thanks to the mining. I basically can't really even build a reasonable budget system thanks to the prices. I whinge a lot lol.

I am very surprised they are not undercutting the 1070 price with the Vega 56.
 
Scougar said:
I honestly would have bought a 480/580 as a stop gap card if they hadn't gone orbital with the price :( Even second hand prices have gone stupid thanks to the mining. I basically can't really even build a reasonable budget system thanks to the prices. I whinge a lot lol.

I am very surprised they are not undercutting the 1070 price with the Vega 56.
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I think due to the financial situation they cannot afford to. They know if they come in at a lower price and make less profit, Nvidia will just match or lower their price even more. See the thing is, if they did come in at $299 and 1070 dropped to even $249, I would still go for Vega 56 for two reasons. One, they would have come in and improved price for performance and forced nvidia to lower their price therefore deserving the money and two because I have freesync.

Even though I will likely not be buying Vega as I am disappointed with both its price and performance, I still want RTG/AMD to do well so they can come back again with Navi and hopefully bring competition back to the high end.
 
D.P. said:
Purchase of the module includes the license fee, both together are around $30.


Plenty of gsync monitors just have the module shoved int eh back without any modifications. The modification to accommodate a Gsync module are very minor, the same screen can happily be used for freesync or no-sync monitors.

The Q&A with LG has a lot of people quoting it without context. With the context it is clear, if you have some very thin design chassis and the gsync module doesn't fit then you have to have a re-design and custom chassis, then it might no be worth it. IF your chassis already accommodates the module then there is no work to be done./ If you are designing a new monitor then it is trivial to add space for the gsync module without affecting anything else.
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That's not what he said. He said with Freesync you can take the same panel and house it in multiple designs without issue. As monitor designs change then with G-Sync panels you have to design them around the G-Sync module. Freesync is almost like a one size fits all where as designing G-Sync monitors is a one design at a time which costs money. There is tons more in there why G-Sync is more costly and it's not just about the design.

Set makers could adopt their technology at much cheaper cost with no need to change design,” Kim says. “This makes it easier to spread models not only for serious gaming monitors but also for mid-range models.
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Even if monitor makers proceed with the necessary research and development, the resulting product will be more expensive, which inevitably means it will sell in lower volumes. That, in turn, means it’s harder for monitor makers to recoup those up-front development costs, says Jeffry Pettinga, the sales director for monitor maker Iiyama.

“You might think, oh 10,000 sales, that’s a nice number. But maybe as a manufacturer you need 100,000 units to pay back the development costs,” Pettinga says.
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Meanwhile, he says, monitors are constantly improving in other areas such as bezel size. As monitors shrink from wide bezels to slim bezels to edge-to-edge displays, the risk is that a slow-selling G-Sync will become outdated long before the investment pays off.

“Let’s say you introduced, last year, your product with G-Sync. Six months of development, and you have to change the panel. You haven’t paid off your development cost,” Pettinga says. “There’s a lot of things going on on the panel side.”
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Costs aside, some monitor makers feel restricted in how they can differentiate their G-Sync monitors.

Display maker Eizo, for instance, has a feature in its gaming monitors called Smart Insight that adjusts gamma and brightness on the fly, helping to improve visibility in light and dark areas. This feature wouldn’t be possible with G-Sync, says Keisuke Akiba, Eizo’s product & marketing manager, because Nvidia’s module handles all the color adjustments itself.

“The G-Sync module accepts color adjustment in the module, not an outside chip,” Akiba says. “Our color adjustment needs power and flexibility so we’ve gone for FreeSync.”
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Monitor makers also have limits on what video inputs they can include. All G-Sync monitors have one DisplayPort input, and in some cases they also include an HDMI input that doesn’t support variable refresh rate. You won’t find any G-Sync monitors with more than two inputs (or with support for DVI). Also, G-Sync doesn’t support variable refresh rate over HDMI. That means every G-Sync monitor must include DisplayPort—again raising the cost to manufacture.

“DisplayPort is relatively expensive on a monitor because of the cable—it’s a quite expensive cable if you include a cable—and the board design itself. So DisplayPort adds a lot more to the cost than HDMI,” Pettinga says.
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Any how it seems like for LG at least G-Sync is pretty risky for making your money back and doesn't leave you with enough options for other tech they want to include.
 
D.P. said:
Purchase of the module includes the license fee, both together are around $30.


Plenty of gsync monitors just have the module shoved int eh back without any modifications. The modification to accommodate a Gsync module are very minor, the same screen can happily be used for freesync or no-sync monitors.

The Q&A with LG has a lot of people quoting it without context. With the context it is clear, if you have some very thin design chassis and the gsync module doesn't fit then you have to have a re-design and custom chassis, then it might no be worth it. IF your chassis already accommodates the module then there is no work to be done./ If you are designing a new monitor then it is trivial to add space for the gsync module without affecting anything else.
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And you are still wrong. The license is separate to the module.

D.P. Wrong again. Enough with the Damage patrol. Manufacturers build there product and apply their margins then sell the product. You can easily see the difference between the same panels using adaptive sync and Gsync. Gsync monitors are more expensive to make entirely because of the Gsync module and the costs associated with that.

And your thinking that the price been charged is entirely down to what the customer is willing to pay is completely rubbish. Think of how many more people would buy Gsync monitors if they were the same price as Adaptive Sync ones? Look around these forums at the number of people who refuse to buy a Gysnc monitor because of the price? if there were no added costs and Gsync is so good why aren't there any Gsync monitors in the £200-£250 price range? Because the costs of making a Gsync monitor are too high.
 
The only thing that's holding me off from getting the 1080ti Mini, is the Nano.
I don't want history to repeat, as I waited for the Fiji Nano and it came late and very expensive.
This time round 4k is actually important to me so might be worth waiting for.
 
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