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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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Anyone else worry that Vega isn't even out yet and we're comparing it with the 1080. NV will release Volta and this will become another 480 situation where it's decent value but it's a gen behind the top end. I think it's great for the mid market consumer, but it's not what I'm after. (assuming the rumours are right)
Maybe, if they can achieve a ~50% uplift on the 1080 Ti with the fastest Volta card. That would allow them to create the product stack you infer there.
However it may not be that bad, maybe be like if an RX 480 competed with the 1070. And also AMD should be closer to their next release this time, compared to Nvidia, so there may only be a 6 month wait for AMD's response.
Yeah fair enough, I guess we're only looking at the start of vega here.
Best thing about this whole though is that it's got me wanting a new pc again!
No it really isn't, overclocking core and/or memory to increase performance and undervolting to reduce temps are, downclocking to reduce temps isn't usually, that doesn't even work on most cards (without reducing performance and thus being pointless).
Ok, keep being the expert.
Random note but of the four HD5870 that I originally mined BTC with three eventually died from failed fans (I know not technically dead but I'm not going to buy a £10 replacement fan for a card that's worth £30), the last one is still slaving away fine in a Burstcoin rig.
Per mining: The bottom line is -ALL- mining, no matter what you're doing to the card, is an unusual, not a-typical usage situation for the hardware. It's not designed for that type of work load with consumer grade hardware. Mining significantly shortens the lifespan of a GPU the longer it's run under mining loads. End of story, no further discussion needed.
Everyone on the internet knows this. What really gets me is people on ebay that sell their cards after they've been "mined out" for 2+ years 24-7 and don't disclaim it in the listing. -THAT- is deceitful and dishonest to the N'th Degree. Some random sap will buy it for gaming thinking they're getting a good card then it'll fail on em in a few months for gaming, but may still work for mining.
Almost everyone on ebay does this. I private message a lot of sellers of GTX 1080's and ask about mining, and they own up to mining with it in messages, but won't update their listings. It should be considered fraud by ebay, but they don't care.
I've been told by a few friends on the internet shopping for a new card recently that in the USA, local "Brick and mortar" stores like Fry's Electronics and Best Buy are currently actively refusing video cards on returns unless they can prove it's defective, and Fry's is even doing bench testing in the returns center on all returned cards now, including short 3dmark passes. and if they show obvious artifacts in benchmarks but otherwise appear to work, they refuse the returns as customer damage due to the high return rate from miners. And if the cards work normally with no issues, they also refuse the returns.
This is what mining has done to the retail space for normal gaming consumers, at least over here.
On top of us gaming customers being made nervous wrecks about trying to buy new cards before they're sold out on day 1 just because miners will be buying them all up too.
Coin mining is a plague on the entire GPU industry.
Everyone on the internet knows this. What really gets me is people on ebay that sell their cards after they've been "mined out" for 2+ years 24-7 and don't disclaim it in the listing. -THAT- is deceitful and dishonest to the N'th Degree. Some random sap will buy it for gaming thinking they're getting a good card then it'll fail on em in a few months for gaming, but may still work for mining.
Almost everyone on ebay does this. I private message a lot of sellers of GTX 1080's and ask about mining, and they own up to mining with it in messages, but won't update their listings. It should be considered fraud by ebay, but they don't care.
I've been told by a few friends on the internet shopping for a new card recently that in the USA, local "Brick and mortar" stores like Fry's Electronics and Best Buy are currently actively refusing video cards on returns unless they can prove it's defective, and Fry's is even doing bench testing in the returns center on all returned cards now, including short 3dmark passes. and if they show obvious artifacts in benchmarks but otherwise appear to work, they refuse the returns as customer damage due to the high return rate from miners. And if the cards work normally with no issues, they also refuse the returns.
This is what mining has done to the retail space for normal gaming consumers, at least over here.
On top of us gaming customers being made nervous wrecks about trying to buy new cards before they're sold out on day 1 just because miners will be buying them all up too.
Coin mining is a plague on the entire GPU industry.
Cool discussion bro, good arguments with solid evidence to back it up. You won the internet I guess
that's really bad if true
I very much doubt they do...
If it's artifacting then it's faulty.
How do they know if it's been used for mining?
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Out of interest why do you do this, seems a bit of an odd hobby
Maybe because I'm actually considering buying a GTX 1080 instead of a vega card in case vega's performance vs power is out of whack? Lining up alternatives on ebay that are at good prices, and are from GPU vendors I know let me activate a factory warranty after buying on ebay (USED!), and let us swap the coolers for waterblocks, and aren't mined-out to an early death.
I would guess I'm probably not alone in this. If vega actually does end up using near 525 watts (450 watts logged / observed power draw over PCI-Express PEG Power connectors + 75W slot power(EDIT: And that's assuming AMD actually follows PCI-Express specifications to only pull 75 watts over the PCI Express slot.........) that gamer's nexus observed overclocking the founder's edition to 1700 Mhz core speed then I'd probably say no on vega.
The only way I'll use vega is if that's down to something like 300W overclocked and it had better well do at least +15% performance over a GTX 1080 for the power usage when overclocked.
Because at that point we could just buy a GTX 1080 that'll pull about 180 - 225W overclocked to 2050 mhz for the same price.
So... Don't know what "magic" AMD plans to do but they had better do something to curve power usage with RX Vega. I really hope they do magic on it and it's usable.
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When mining etherium it's all about memory. You can actually downclock the core drastically and not affect the performance while temps and power usage fall significantly. In fact downclocking core is more effective than undervolting to save on power.p
lol your post made me laugh hardIw been there with Fury X was waiting waiting then it landed and disappointed but had hopes so waited for voltage unlock overclocking cause... OVERCLOCKERS DREAM !!!! The dream was 50mhz...
So i lost TWICE
First by time by waiting 980ti price went up around 80-90 pounds after 5 months or so.
Second time when I sold my 290x after 980ti showed up due to waiting for AMD's Overclockers dream card was 3 weeks after warranty. I normally sell everything 2-3 months before warranty. And card died in transport lost another 275 quid cause had 2 refund it ofc.
So ths time after FE got tested i was like OK so it wont match 1080ti at lunch maybe after 1 year it will fair enough at lest AIO one should be cheap... Then i get up at 3.30am to see what 699bucks SIX NINE NINE. And i'm like WTF they must be smoking stronger stuff then me at AMD i can get 1080 hybrid for around 540 TODAY and missed out on destiny 2 promo so had 2 buy it separate for 40 quid...
What I ended up doing since had good offer on Titan X with block and i know vega cant touch this card. Not at price i paid :]
I consider this good upgrade. Next one in 2019 give or take and i know unlocked Titan Will keep value at descent level. Also video editing for Youtube gotten faster
Guess I'm waiting for Navi ??deffo waiting for Ryzen 2 tho what a fantastic cpu
The wait is killing me, why has nobody invented a coma drug you can take to sleep for a week or whatever lol.
What you're saying isn't factually incorrect, but context is important. Firstly it only applies to Polaris (RX400/500) cards, downclocking on Hawaii/Fiji/Vega will reduce Ether hashrates. Secondly it's generally more profitable to "dual mine" when mining ethereum, mining a second altcoin (I.E Decred) at the same time, and if you're doing that you will lose performance by downclocking on an RX400/500.
I remember being so hyped when I got a 50MHz overclock for the first time, obviously it was a bigger % of the original clockspeed back then, how times change
patience pays off... Well not in case of AMD by looks of it :/lol your post made me laugh hard
High/Ultra end users make up 2% of gamers (1080 and 1080Ti), as per July steam survey. We're in the absolute minority when it comes to gamers. If Vega is between 1080 and 1080Ti then it'll still sell well even though it can't beat a Ti.
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