The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 18:40

Don't understand the reference or insinuation, sorry.

But I meant it was nothing more than his usual tripe, it wasn't out of place random malicious racsim, it was just his own blatant, loud agenda that's no different to any other day.

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 19:34

Jokester said:
So tarring everyone with the same brush...

Not really if they're were specific flags waved by people that he was referring too, however illogical his thinking.

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 19:53

Roar87 said:
Yet this same man hates Jews I'm led to believe today

Blame the IHRA and their government backed Israeli lobby (@dowie)

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:19

Hahaha

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:25

As someone who has grown up having to battle the ingrained racism of our society the best medicine I have found is love and laughter, keep on smiling and you'll have a healthy soul regardless of the crumbling world around you.

Oh but yes misrepresent me with your comment and I'll cave #****demjewboys

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:39

You again misrepresent me when you say "promoting antisemitic tropes". You know it was ignorance as you pointed that out yourself so don't inflate it bro.

I tagged you for the lols because it makes me smile

Regarding the rest of your points, I'd have addressed them previously if I didn't think it would turn into more point scoring/nitpicking that I don't have the time, no will to bother with. You win Mr Dowie sir

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:41

I rushed the last post as my baby was crying. It's all meant friendly.

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:45

Listen bro, what's your address let me send you a hug and some maxi pads.

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 20:49

Did that garner a smile at least?

NVP · 3 Jun 2019 at 21:33

NVP · 4 Jun 2019 at 22:36

@dowie OK hopefully this is close enough to what you usually beat it to, it's been a while for me this is the best I got.

My original issue stemmed from what I was lead to believe an Israeli Governement "mission" to globally define a new definition (the IHRA definition) of antisemitism (nothing to do with Israel!) in their favour

NVP said:
Israel have been pushing their anti-isreal=anti-semitism angle quite hardcore the past couple of years.

They have publicised a new definition of antisemitism and have managed to get governments to listen.

You correctly informed me this was a group based outside of Israel consisting of members from multiple countries - I since found potentially biased articles linking the Israeli government to lobbies across the globe apparently working to get the IHRA definition adopted by their respective country. I did not site these but have given enough info for you to do the Google if you wanted your brain corrupted.

The article I should have quoted in my OP is the one I've quoted just below and would have given the following reference but I don't see how its such a necessity.

NVP said:
Now they promote the fact Jews in other countries get attacked and use it as a way of influencing that foreign country to retrain its police/teachers etc in the new definition, to push their agenda through right from the top.

Based off of this I wondered the reason this would be pushed and how it would benefit those pushing it who I have assumed to be the Israeli gvt. (And this is the issue you have with my post, see later..)

NVP said:
But... What is this agenda? Is it to concrete Israel as its own permanent country? I thought that was already the case. Is it to make us feel less bad about Palestine? Doesn't matter how bad we feel no one with power cares enough to stop it.

So... Why? What am I missing? Or do I just need sleep?

Which @Jokester replied straight away and killed and could have just /thread right there.

Jokester said:
By blurring the lines between anti-semitism and legitimate criticism of the Israeli state's behaviour they can silence their critics, especially if it's also backed by the law in the respective countries. Even without the law backing it, just the social stigma can be enough for people to self censor criticism of Israel if they think enough people buy into it as anti-semitism.

Article:

NVP said:
No it was this one that prompted the thread: clicky

Now I completely get your stance of me spouting inaccurate theories based on assumptions as potentially conforming to some template of antisemitic criticism, however none of what I posted was malicious or insulting or deliberately offensive to anyone and the only one who related it that way was yourself and then later on Dolph Harris. So, just perhaps, it's your constant highlighting of potential related offence and that is actually giving the stereotype more weight. I did say perhaps, but if so then boom that's gone full circle!

NVP · 4 Jun 2019 at 23:37

Oh man still the same thing?? Is this the part of the article you're missing?

He also called for police officers, teachers, and lawyers to receive training to clarify "what is allowed and what is not" when "dealing with anti-Semitism".

Come on man, srsly now.

NVP · 4 Jun 2019 at 23:54

NVP · 5 Jun 2019 at 00:06

That's all fine and dandy but quite unessesary as it isn't institutional racism the article was about and also my main point which I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to steer somewhere else or honestly missing my meaning is regarding the new definition being the IHRA definition which suggests criticism of Israel equates to antisemitism (thread title, the link).

German man pushing German based groups definition is irrelevant, we know who benefits the most from pushing this.

NVP · 5 Jun 2019 at 00:07

Also, what's wrong with joking about man? You honestly that dull?

NVP · 5 Jun 2019 at 04:03

Whats so hard you can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from? I responded to your initial query regarding the issue with the IHRA definition, why ignore that now?

You seem adamant that I'm no making sense but you skip and chop to suit which I don't find appealing to respond to in the way you wish.

Regarding the quote, I'm not going to hold your hand through it anymore man, you're seriously sucking the life from me wanting some colour by numbers version of what I'm saying. If you're still struggling then we'll just have to call it a day. You obviously aren't getting my point and I'm obviously not making it well enough. But I think you've been extremely difficult from some strange offended stance where you have inflated an ignorant statement into racist / antisemitic "trope" which is dishonest and almost tabloid esque and kind of ironic.

NVP · 5 Jun 2019 at 08:33

I did try, honest gov. I just don't have the brain for it.

Edit:

hahahaha

NVP · 5 Jun 2019 at 12:07

stockhausen said:
Israel has every right to speak out against racism - every country has that duty.
The Israeli Government doesn't have any right to use opposition to racism to justify their own Government's racist behaviour.

Simple really

Yes! This guy is switched on. Cheers man

err...I mean "lolkwerk"

NVP · 13 May 2021 at 11:20

Hamas is now simply dregs of former leaders and mainly filled with young, poorly educated, oppressed people fighting for their freedom.

People of Palestine have no clout politically to defend their territory, so crude rockets to overwhelm the iron dome are all they have left to retaliate against the oppression by the Israeli government and the constant bullying by the IDF.

Israel has managed to brainwash the majority of their population to believe their propaganda, do not listen to any condemnation of their actions and perpetually oppress and steal Palestine.

Other countries haven't really done anything to help Palestine in the past and will never do so, it is already too late.

NVP · 13 May 2021 at 14:03

plasmahal said:
Probably true but have the proxy backing of other richer Islamic states and still use their anti-Israel propaganda.

This has changed a lot in recent years due to the reduction in ability to get aid into Palestine. And with the arrests and murders of many of the adult male population there are less and less able to correctly and adequately utilise what is received. All of which is unfortunately leading to indiscriminate, violent retaliation.

plasmahal said:
They are in essence self-oppressed as for decades Israel and it's allies have tried for peace but they are trying to appease a martyr ideology.

Self oppressed Palestinians? Israel wants peace? ...u wot m8

plasmahal said:
Where do they get these so-called crude rockets that mange to kill innocent people from? They seem to have the financial ability to kill people with rockets rather than work towards a peaceful resolution.

Didn't you answer that in your own post?

plasmahal said:
Palestine and it's backers has managed to brainwash the majority of their population to believe their propaganda, do not listen to any condemnation of their actions and perpetually oppress and terrorise Israel.

As stated, they're fighting for their freedom from an oppressive regime. With the decline in their education, removal of significant leaders and without any political power they're left to fight their oppression in this manner.

plasmahal said:
Israel and it's allies have tried for peace, other islamic states have worked to keep Palestine as a victim and as a proxy for war against the west.

If Israel truly wanted peace they would not be training their IDF in the manner they do, they would not be committing systemic genocide, they would not be forcibly stealing land, they would not be limiting food saying they're "putting the Palestinians on a diet", they would not be preventing aid reaching Palestine.

Israel is violating the human rights of the Palestinians whilst the world watches and nods along.